what religion are u?

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:04 pm

First you have to define love, get to the root of it's meaning. Is love an abstraction? or is it a specific set of chemical interactions? or perhaps it is part of Plato's Forms, one of a higher truth....

You must question the base on which a question is proposed to understand the answer that it is seeking.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:05 pm

nailz1000 wrote:
Jace Tsunami wrote:By leaving NO shred at all, god has only proved he doesn't exist. no proof is proof itself that something isn't there.
Heheh, I love this argument too, because it was in the movie Contact, and I stand firmly in this concept:

Have you ever loved someone? Prove it.

I think love is all hormonal. you don't have to be an enraged teenager to have hormones. Love is just natural sometimes, like for your mother. The person that shows you love and raises you, that's always there. And vise versa for the mother, you brought a life into the world, all on your own, how can you not love it? That's how I think of love.

tacooe · Post by **tacooe** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:18 pm

you know Jace I don't really think that science will work out all of that stuff, not anytime remotely soon. Think about it, science has only really been studied seriously by humans for a few hundred years and it's true that we have made some amazing discoveries blah blah blah but this is only a complete blip in the grand scheme of things as we perceive them and sorry to use a cliche especially one as hackneyed as this but, at one time people thought the earth was round and they were wrong so what's to stop us from being wrong. Science is exactly like religion, it's all based on human perceiptions and perpetuated beliefs, basically to err is human so don't put all of your eggs in one basket.

*too many cliches, I should be shot*

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:33 pm

God wrote:Hello.

lmao

Nailz. A few things to address. I am one of the people that will (but only when provoked) admit that I think most of christianity is bullshit. I will also say that I was brought up in a christian house, and my change of beliefs has NOTHING to do with rebellion. My reasons come from things I've learned about the nature of christianity, judaism, islam, hell practically every major religion of the day. Things that I'm not going to go into but things that give fact, as much as fact can be, that christianity is less original and more perversions of ancient symbols and truths. In comparing belief and logistics it's also scored on the low side of my scale.

That's my beef with the faith. The institution on the other hand I can't stand at all anymore. Theres so much about the history of the church that they never taught in catholic school...
We're watching Elizabeth in euro right now which isn't helping either

Nailz wrote:No one has good reason to believe in God or Heaven. Thats why they call it Faith.

What if you met someone who's 'religion' allows for telekenesis? spoon bending and such? that would be real physical proof which IMO would be a good reason to believe that whatever the person is doing theyre doing it right. Thats hypothetical, my point is that if that was true you'd all believe them, but there would be no way for them to prove anything over the internet. Moreso, christianity and the usual religions don't give a good solid reason like the above, but thats not to say that others dont.
There are religions that practice stuff like that. Christianity passes the phenomenon off as tricks of the devil trying to sway you away from god, which really dosent hold up when you look at the bigger picture.

either way, the main point being that there is no way to prove anything over the internet, making this whole argument if you could even call it that totally moot

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:35 pm

well then, sounds like science should have it's own religion, eh?

but yeah I said modern man would figure things out through science, I don't think it would be anytime soon either, but I do think it will be done.

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:55 pm

science IS a religion. Why can't something be proven over the internet? It's the same words and ideas that are written in books.

Seeing as how there's no real reading of others discussions going on here as far as I see, I'll excuse myself from the conversation. I do enough arguing on the issue at another board I visit.

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:30 pm

because, read the post. Like I said, I can post quotes out of Isis Unveiled to show how stupid your religion is etc, but thats just flames. If theres something real involved, then it will turn heads.

La di freakin da, nobody here would believe this is real, how the hell do you know it wasnt bent physically or photoshopped. If you would believe this as proof of anything then you're a weak minded one indeed. If you're watching someone do it however its totally different

Golden Saucer · Post by **Golden Saucer** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:31 pm

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Beleive what you must, me I don't even make fun of Religeous people anymore, cause when they start doubting they get insecure and get fucked up and end up beign pedophiles, pity............

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:03 pm

[i][b]MistyCaldwell[/b][/i] wrote:Ahh Flint! You misquoted me....I don't talk like that
That aside from the fact I would be an uberhypocrite to say such antiblasphemy....look now you've got me flustered -_-

Oops, that quote was supposed to be by Nailz.

Sorry Misty, I didn't mean to make you sound like that abomination.

*Shoots self*

Jace Tsunami wrote:It's like watching some one tell you Santa Claus is real, you just can't sit there and watch a grown adult feed you that bullshit, Santa's not real, you know it, and yet here they come back and back again telling you it's true and why.

Santa doesn't exist?!

And Jace, I wasn't saying your comments were stupid... just that you shouldn't bash threads. But frankly Jace, I don't care that few people are reading this. I know some people are, and that's good enough for me. It's good to try and organize my thoughts and write them down sometimes anyway.

Nailz1000 wrote:Actually, Jesus preached nothing of the sort. You're not even CLOSE to understanding the meanings of what Jesus taught. Do good and get into Heaven? No, thats not what he taught at all. Jesus taught how to truely love each other. It was never and will never be a bribe. You should be ashamed of your ignorance comparing it like that.

Indeed, I wish people would know what they're talking about before making their point. Christ taught that all that was needed to get into Heaven was acceptance. Your actions don't matter at all, if you have Christ in your heart, all your sins are forgiven... save denying Christ. That's past, present, and future. That's what he taught... it's there in the Bible. This isn't opinion. Now to be fair...

Jace Tsunami wrote:Jesus taught people how to truly love each other (as you mentioned), and from this he spoke of how if you truly love each other, and you continue doing so as you lead a full and happy life, you'll be rewarded by the love you receive back, and staying with your family by gods side sharing his love after death. He taught that the love was a continuous thing, that if you love each other now, you cans till do ti when you die, and the reawrd was love in return.

Yes, but we don't have to show love through our actions. You can't tell a Christian just by what he does. Actions really are meaningless.

Nailz1000 wrote:Good for you. I haven't met one with a decent argument.

What do you mean by decent argument? No one can be absolutely right about this. The best argument is that they just can't see any evidence of God, but they see plenty of evidence that suggests otherwise.

Nailz1000 wrote:Stereotypes exist for a reason. That reason is because 90% of the time, it's a true case. Here's another stereotype: Black people listen to Rap. Are you going to tell me that the majority of Black people DONT listen to rap?

Okay, that's mostly accurate. But in nearly all cases, stereotypes imply other things about a group of people. And, no, 90% of the time, it isn't an entirely true case. 90% of the time, it's a 90% true case. When it is clearly specified that you are talking about the majority, there's a difference. But a general statement about an entire group of people is almost always wrong.

Jace Tsunami wrote:And hey, we all know the government hides stuff, so maybe thy already have. Maybe they just havn't told people because not only christians, but the entire world other than non believers such as myself would be thrown in an uproar.

Lol, maybe the government is just hiding God from us.

Oy. Don't worry, you won't be getting any more long posts from me.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:45 pm

I think there are to many people who are "religious" (I use quotation marks because these people either aren't true to themselves or are apathetic in the worst sense) only out of fear or it was what they were brought up with. I wish more people that followed a religion, followed it with full knowledge of not only what the religion is about, but also, why they decide to follow the religion.