I guess Norway wasn't as socially advanced as we think...

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:01 pm

kthulhu wrote:90 years in the making, though?

My point is that everyone points out Europe as being a more "progressive" place, and yet this sort of thing went on for nearly a century in Norway.

To say that they're not "progressive" because of this is kind of stupid.

Typical American conspiracy-nut 'everyone is out to get me' bullshit.
Put down the gun and pick up the book.
Intelligence conquers brute force.

That's kind of funny coming from you.

ithaqua · Post by **ithaqua** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:53 pm

I fail to see how allowing Steven Seagal movies into your country is progress.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:10 am

'Cause how else would you know something was cool unless you have stuff that sucks?

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:26 am

MistyCaldwell wrote:'Cause how else would you know something was cool unless you have stuff that sucks?

Wise words.

azulmagia · Post by **azulmagia** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:33 am

Steven Seagal's movies should not be banned. Steven Seagal's movie career, on the other hand....

Not that he has much of one now.

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Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:37 am

LMAO ... he had a career?

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kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:27 am

ithaqua wrote:I fail to see how allowing Steven Seagal movies into your country is progress.

It's not so much that they have them now and it's cool that they do (far from it) - it's that they banned movies for 90-some years. Basically, the government said "We don't want our citizens watching these movies" - implying, in a sense, that the government doesn't respect the ability of its citizenry to think for itself.

On another hand, this can have implications, in a "Bowling For Columbine" sense, for the US and our level of crime - is Norway, with one of the highest per capita ownership of firearms rates, better off without the contested bad influence of these movies (in that, the tools are there, but people don't use them in an inappropriate manner, such as murder, because the movies haven't influence their actions)?

And is the US, with a high level of firearms ownership, perhaps worse off for having these movies (indeed, being the biggest producer of them), and the potential bad influence they might have on people?

Anyhow, at heart, I guess the main point of this thread is that:

1. I don't think Europe is that much more progressive than the US, naysayers aside.

And...

2. I don't like government censorship.

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:32 am

kthulhu wrote:
2. I don't like government censorship.

not many people do ... i think bill hicks had a few things to day about that.

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kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:40 am

Propyro wrote:
kthulhu wrote:
2. I don't like government censorship.
not many people do ... i think bill hicks had a few things to day about that.

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And yet people don't seem to be getting my gripe about Norway, for some reason...

Simpi · Post by **Simpi** » Fri Oct 03, 2003 7:24 am

kthulhu wrote: And yet people don't seem to be getting my gripe about Norway, for some reason...

I really don't see why I should care. Pendelum swings both ways in world history. For example, Finland had no censorship until something like 1975* (expect cases when we had to be careful about certain movies upsetting our neighbour USSR**).

Then it came and was pretty harsh all along, so people acquired uncensored/uncut films from abroad (Holland was one of the favourite places), until 90s when everything was again allowed.

It's quite possible that in the future some sort of, let's call it wave, of political correctness sweeps over the land and movies are once again subjected to censorship.

You in US have had censorship, so why cross atlantic and laugh to silly Europeans. I mean, the law might have been written but in practice nobody took it seriously. You could not sell certain movies (by law) but people still did (and nobody cared) or brought them abroad. Nobody came to your house to confiscate your VHS cassettes.

I really don't see any point in your thread.

* Ironically censorship did not extend to television so classical gory clips could be shown there in full lenght and nobody could do anything, expect write an angry letter to local paper.

** I don't care if this sounds silly to you. You didn't live in a small country whose neighbour is a communist superpower.