Some Perspective on the Money wasted in Iraq.

This forum is for actual topics of discussion that do not fit the above categories.
Locked
User avatar
madmallard
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2001 6:07 pm
Status: Cracked up quacker, quacked up cracker
Location: Atlanta, GA
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by madmallard » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:55 pm

SSJVegita0609 wrote: its HIS fault that a country went from one of the largest budget surpluses ever to the largest numerical deficit ...
i'm sorry, that just wrong. You cant have a surplus and a deficit at the same time. this magic 'surplus' some say we had didn't exist and hasnt for decades.

However, Clinton was the most stingy democrat in office in a while, not raising funding for any program nearly as much as w.Bush
Main Events Director Anime Weekend Atlanta, Kawaii-kon

User avatar
jonmartensen
Joined: Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:50 pm
Location: Gimmickville USA
Org Profile

Post by jonmartensen » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:56 pm

Yes, pushing for the war, the economic effects of the war, tax cuts (which people were all for before they were made :? ) are all Bush's fault. And the internet bust, Corporate scandal, and an economic decline of roughly 20% are hard to blame the President for. Yet they are, aren't they :| Like I said, most of those were good points. Can the current President be at fault for job losses in the past 3 years, or for that matter, can even the past President be at fault for the job losses in the past 3 years (hint: the answer is the same)
Image

MistyCaldwell
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2002 10:04 pm
Location: Virginia
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by MistyCaldwell » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:28 pm

I sometimes wonder if Bush is really a highly advanced cyborg being controlled off screen by some guy with a keyboard. His Shatner-ish pauses and robotic movements back and forth...


Seriously I still think this is one corrupt administration.

You have an unnecessary war with questionable reasons as the root of most people's concerns. Since I know you guys won't believe me unless I cite sources (you should already know about this) this is about Cheney and his deep pocketed friends mapping out Iraq for oil months before any terrorist attacks. That is truth. I feel disgust that those attacks could have been used to back what they seemed to have been planned already. They could prove me wrong, but so far no one is talking....for two years. Don't bring national security into it, they should have a darn good reason they can tell their boss (the american people)

In the meantime, those funds could have been used to bail out planty of programs, whether you think they deserve it or not. Although I wholeheartedly agree people expect way too much out of their state governments, thus they create the whole state financial crisis by demanding money for everything. Reminds me of those ingrates in Sim City 3000.

Another shocking truth is how different of a political figure Bush the Pres is from Bush the Texas Gov. He used to think showy displays of national force would only hurt the image of the US. Then as pres, he says we have to be pre-emptive *coughminorityreportcough* even at the cost of losing allies. Another indicator of him being converted into a cyborg?
Image

User avatar
nailz
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2001 4:32 pm
Location: Phoenix AZ
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by nailz » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:32 pm

jonmartensen wrote:That's right, because whoever is currently in office has totalitarian control over the economy. Congress is not involved in running this country at all, no sir-e, not at all.
And it doesn't help that both the President is a republican and the majority of both the house and senate is republican as well? You can't for a minuite tell me if one or the other was democratic, that we'd be in such a deep shithole.

Oo, I have an idea, lets give everyone a $400 tax break to increase spending! Nevermind $400 isn't even enough to pay 1/2 of one months rent for most people. Multiply $400 x 250million people = $100,000,000,000 (Thats 100 billion dollars) In lost tax revenue, which alone would have paid for the war and then some. In the hands of the 250 million individuals, it becomes thin, like butter spread over too much bread, but in the hands of the country... well, there's your deficit right there.

Republicans are Idiots. We as a nation prospered under bill clinton like never before, and never had we been running in the black since JFK was in office. Oddly enough, he was the last democrat.
Ploink! Magic Cupcake! <a href="http://www.elvenking.net">Elvenking</a>. I'm sorry, I can't hear you over how awesome I am.

MistyCaldwell
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2002 10:04 pm
Location: Virginia
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by MistyCaldwell » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:49 pm

Actually.....

one of the biggest reasons for the economy taking such a gradual turn for the worse is based in our job market to begin with. We became an industrialized nation first. Manufacturing all sorts of products was how most of your grandfathers (or great grandfathers?...most of your parents were born in the 60's now huh) made a living.

Introduce a host of things from cheap foreign work and imports to one of the worst things ever...NAFTA. That was before Dubya's time. We have Bush senior and Clinton to thank for that.

Our economy has gone to a service type. Phone calls, tech help, data entry....they don't pay as well. I don't really see how the tax cut was going to help anybody, even if you ignore the fact not everyone got one and those that did may go buy some crap at Wal-mart....not create a business.

When ATT, Viacom, Microsoft moves their tech help to India (yes, they have already...the women with accent...her real name isn't Sally) so they can pay people 5000 a year (and they are happy to get it) then waht does that leave for the future?

A couple garbagemen and the rest of us work at Burger King or Wal-mart...well at least Oni's set..... :?
Image

User avatar
downwithpants
BIG PICTURE person
Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2002 1:28 am
Status: out of service
Location: storrs, ct
Org Profile

Post by downwithpants » Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:21 pm

madmag9999 wrote:well this just proves my reason to be that much truer that gorge w bush is a fucking dumbass and ruind the economy in this country and drove us deper into the resession and i dont want to hear any of that bull shit that this is clintons fault becouse for the 8 years clinton was in office we were a very prospouros nation i mean sure he had is problems but the naition was doing really really well
increasing government spending doesn't drive an economy deeper into recession, rather the opposite. anyways, pretty much any analyst would have told u the recession was coming regardless who was the Pres. nonetheless, stoic makes a good point that the increased defense spending is a severe misallocation of resources. we are telling our economy to produce guns and bombs to destroy a regime that is supposedly building weapons of mass destruction, or are we changing that to harboring terrorists?
maskandlayer()|My Guide to WMM 2.x
a-m-v.org Last.fm|<a href="http://www.frappr.com/animemusicvideosdotorg">Animemusicvideos.org Frappr</a>|<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2lryta"> Editors and fans against the misattribution of AMVs</a>

User avatar
Lyrs
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2002 2:41 pm
Location: Internet Donation: 5814 Posts
Org Profile

Post by Lyrs » Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:23 pm

Bush Senoir had to deal with a 4trillion dollars deficit, why shouldn't his son as well?

/fyi
GeneshaSeal - Dead Seals for Free
Orgasm - It's a Science

MistyCaldwell
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2002 10:04 pm
Location: Virginia
Contact:
Org Profile

Post by MistyCaldwell » Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:27 pm

Apparently not...the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld just admitted that there was no reason to believe Saddam or Iraq had a hand in the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

So....there are the WMDs and the uranium reasons left. The uranium info was said to have been dubious at best before the war began so....

I guess we just ousted the bad guy out of the goodness of our hearts. If that's the case, there are plenty of other nations on the list for cleansing... :roll:
Image

User avatar
Flint the Dwarf
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2002 6:58 pm
Location: Ashland, WI
Org Profile

Post by Flint the Dwarf » Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:31 pm

nailz1000 wrote:it becomes thin, like butter spread over too much bread, but in the hands of the country...
LotR reference! :lol:
Kusoyaro: We don't need a leader. We need to SHUT UP. Make what you want to make, don't make you what you don't want to make. If neither of those applies to you, then you need to SHUT UP MORE.

User avatar
Stoic
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:23 am
Location: Land Of Confusion
Org Profile

Post by Stoic » Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:00 am

There was no reason to go to war with Iraq... At all. No evidence of WMDs. No ties to al Qaeda (I do believe Saddam was one of the 'infedels' osama spoke of in his videos and tried to stir up an uprising). Nothing was accomplished in this war expected wasting a ton of fucking money. And I'm not the only one who thinks so. We'd be better served to take out Saudi Arabia who is funding terrorists cells.

Oh and quit bringing up bushes Tax cuts. I personally don't know any one who saw a dime out of them. Do you? Tax Cuts that benifet the richests 1% of the nation is fucked up when people in the middle class are still having problems covering the rent. Oh and if you are talking about the "muffler" refund deal. All that money got spent on what? Mostly rent, as a survey discovered.

Meanwhile that fucking Patriot Act is being used to fight common crimes instead of tracking down terrorists. And people who speak out against it are suffereing from "hysteria" according to Ashcroft.
"More than hundred fucking takes." - Jackie Chan.
Murphy's Law of Combat Number 6:
If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid.
My Profile::Your Profile

Locked

Return to “General Off Topic”