Disgusting.

mistress-samwise · Post by **mistress-samwise** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:46 pm

I think Iraq is a place not even worth half the effort that we (Americans) have given it. Bush is a loser if ever there was one, and it's partly his fault that there's still fighting going on long after the war was supposed to be over. Sheesh! The whole Middle East is a big waste of time, if you ask me. They may have oil, but they have big problems. Ones that have been around for centuries.

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:48 pm

As a military member, this blows my mind. Negligence. Pure fucking negligence, or rampant stupidity.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:49 pm

Dannywilson wrote:Negligence. Pure fucking negligence, or rampant stupidity.

Don't the two go hand in hand, though?

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:03 am

kthulhu wrote:
Dannywilson wrote:Negligence. Pure fucking negligence, or rampant stupidity.
Don't the two go hand in hand, though?

At least in the States.

Right here --> http://www.senate.gov/ <--

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:22 am

Hey george bush, way to go.

The problem is we CAN'T pull out now. Like ohmybelldandy and her latest boytoy catch, if we suddenly realize we're probably going to get gonorrhea by sticking our soldier where he dosen't belong and pull out, she's going to find someone else - a terrorist someone else, to finish her up for the night. While the terrorists may deserve gonorrhea, we certainly don't need more baby terrorists around.
COMPRENDE?

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:03 am

Thats the soldiers way of saying "WE WANT TO FUCKING COME HOME." .. my Step-dad has been in Iraq since April, and he's not coming home until April 2004. He's also in the fucking Reserves, not the real Army... WTF?

Bring our FUCKING TROOPS HOME.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:12 am

We can't bring them home. We just went in and destabilized the government. That's the kind of fertile soil terrorists and radical regimes feed on. If we leave, Iraq will fester. We have to set up a working, friendly government as quickly and efficiently as possible. Unfortunately, this requires time and money, neither of which we have right now. To be more blunt, we're fucked. We probably should never have gone over there to begin with.

As much as we shouldn't be over there, it's not because we should have left by now, it's only because we shouldn't have been there to begin with.

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 9:25 am

nailz1000 wrote:He's also in the Reserves, not the real Army...

. . that statement comes from the Nixon Years, "Week-end Warrior!" and means
something completely different than people imply it as; "they can pull-out at
any time or go home" - which was a way of saying, in the 50's & 60's,
"stay home - you'll live longer" which was true if you entered a war to late in the game and did not know who was doing what!
Nation Guard, Reserve's, for life, or complete newbe on their first "hitch" makes
no difference when they all start out in the Police Action - together for
even those who could not hit the side of a Barn Door with a water baloon become
expert shots when all of a sudden "they become a target" - so kindly do not
slap your dad's face on being, "just a reserve" ( you really don't know how
much that affects him - truely; you don't. )

The Military lives by their own set of rules; just pray you'll never have to find
out what our Men think of "You" when "You Become Their Target!" 8)

Your dad is doing the best that he know's how, over there; I know he misses
you too. ^_^

---------------- subject change ---------------

There has never been a Man Hunt carried out by the Military; this is a job for
the CIA or the FBI. ( George Bush is not abusing his powers of a Police Action and never has. )

A Police Action can best be understood as, "the over-through of Gangsters and/or
rebel's."

To call it a War on Terrorism only defines the Action that the Policing is
focused on . . . however, the discription needs to be explained to the general
public because this term "policing" means something different than you might think!
Policing The Area: Cleaning up an area on the ground from foreign objects
like cigerette butts, candy wrappers, nails, and/or leaves that fall from a tree.
. . as you can tell, this discription is not what the common man understands
as Police Action; but it is the discription that the Military and Governmental Officails
understand to be correctly worded T_T but worst of all, a Police Action must
be on-going until the job is done.

---? so what's the point ? ----

My point is that this either needs to become a WAR or END - and the Iraqies
don't care which way the Americans want to play THIS GAME because 96% of
them have nothing to loose anymore; so either Put-Up-or-Shut-Up George!

. it is very hard to be frightened and scared for 13 years and to suddenly have
to trust People who they have been told will treat you like "Your Dad, When He
Get's Home, Will Punish You" as compared to your Mom trying to punish you;
when you concider that, to you, you've done nothing wrong - way of thinking.
( the total lack of no one "jumping in, doing the punishing, and getting out" is
doing more damage than good - but the US does not understand this! )

George - The Whole World is watching and waiting for you to either correctively
take Action -or- Leave; either way, the Middle East has no problem with the US
being the Father Role Model and the other countries being the children ^^ for
none of the Middle Eastern Countries want a Leadership Role in the first place.

^____^

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:04 pm

I think they became a better role model for children when those child prisons were opened up and the child mortality rate of 200,000 a year goes down. (thats a lowball number btw, based on the last 15 years)

the unfortunate fact is the most organised people and groups there right now are the ones who would either a:incite terror to govern, b:are xenophonbes who wants all foreigners, wither iranian or american to die. or c:religious extremists groups. Despite ousting the Baath party, our work is not done until we help build an organisation that -can- take care of itself against those others. Thats why we're building a fresh Iraqi police force.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:36 pm

I really hope that's not why you're shooting it.

In any case, while establishing a stable state is a noble goal, this is increasingly becoming an uphill battle for the US. The less credibility they have, the less chance there is that their goal will ever be accomplished. And where's the guarantee that once Iraq is let free from under America's thumb, it won't be overtaken by organized religious elements?

This may be difficult to swallow, but it seems an un-democratic, authoritarian regime, whether Baathist or US-backed is pretty well the only way to keep these elements under control. Try as you might, eradicating religious fanaticism is not something that takes a few years of pro-democratic rule.

It'd be a miracle if the Americans, under the present conditions, actually managed to get these different and hostile groups around a table to hammer out some kind of deal. International involvement would have a better chance at that, but frankly, even then it seems noone would be willing to take a risk at being blamed for another breakdown in this situation.

From the peace and democracy in that country perspective, pulling out of Iraq is not a good idea. From the point of view of America's domestic/foreign/military standpoint, pulling out would make a lot more sense. And something in this makes me doubt America's noble motives, so there - I don't think it's very smart that they're still over there.