Another day, another topic: What do you expect out of life?

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Post by Mr Pilkington » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:12 am

Cardinal.jpg wrote:Accordong to King Missile Jesus was WAY cool.
tacooe wrote:I don't see the point of going vege, meat, it's too nice not to eat and it's not a proper meal without it.
I don't feel a meal is right without meat either but I abhor the death that goes into it, I am from the meat is murder family and therefore wont touch it. I try and distance myself from violence and death as mush as my mind can handle these days. If I can I would like to achieve a state where violence disgusts me, rather than see it and think iot is bland and boring if it is not grotesquely disgusting.

I've said it before and I'll say it until I have not an ounce of air left in my lungs. Damn Ford never should have pardonned you hippies! Get a hair cut, some clean cloths and for the sake of God, humans are carniverous by nature, eats some gawddamned meat! Fucking hippies.

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Post by CaTaClYsM » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:25 am

KhayotiK wrote:Ditto. Hey man, where the fuck have you been? I've noticed a drastic drop in the amount of CaT in the off topic forums... Kinda sucks. :(
I got pretty wraped up in a read or die video focusing on the suicide symphony, Song I used was one armed scisor, It rocks.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by Mask of Destiny » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:30 am

Sorry for the double post... shakes fist at the lack of an edit button.
I'm pretty sure Jesus would not be down with what "Christianity" and its most ardent follwers have become.
I'd agree with you, though as I don't know your reasons I can't say whether I agree with them. The Church (at least in the US and many other parts of the world) is divided and the Bible makes it clear this is not how it is meant to be. Many people who claim to be Christians aren't showing any evidence of this in their lives which leads me to believe that a good number of them do not truly have a saving faith. True only God knows a man's heart but I believe it was Jesus who said "You shall know a tree by its fruit" and I know it was John who said that "Faith without works is dead."

As for Christianity's most ardent followers, I would say that they are not in this nation, but in a place like Sudan where they are persecuted for their faith yet their love for God thrives.
Whether or not he was the son of God is open for debate
And I'd be more than happy to discuss it with you.
and God's existence or non-existence is unknowable in my opinion, for one reason - to know the existence of God is to lose our right to free will, and God, as a loving, non-jealous, non-tyrannical being, would not want that
I fail to see the logic in that. Lucifer is perhaps more certain in the existance of God than any of us and yet he exercised his free will to turn against God. The real philosophical problem comes in when you try to reconcile God's sovereignty with our free will.

On another note, nowhere in the Bible does it say that God is a non-jealous God. What is the first commandment? "You shall have no other gods before Me." and in the second commandment "You shall not make for yourself a carved image ... For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God ..."
but Jesus was cool for his ideals.
Of course Jesus himself claimed to be the Son of God. Given that Jesus was one of the following:

1)a liar
2)a lunatic
3)actually the Son of God

Because of this I find it hard to separate his ideals from a belief in God without taking away their power. However, you are welcome to try.

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Post by Cardinal.jpg » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:31 am

Mr Pilkington wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it until I have not an ounce of air left in my lungs. Damn Ford never should have pardonned you hippies! Get a hair cut, some clean cloths and for the sake of God, humans are carniverous by nature, eats some gawddamned meat! Fucking hippies.
I'm not a hippy and the reason I don't eat meat is becuase I don't believe in violence not because I don't believe in meat, if I was convinced the animal died peacefully after completing its life cycle then I might bring myself to eat it, except it would be incredibly shit food. Humans are not carnivorous by nature they are omnivorous otherwise we would only eat meat. I would also appreciate if you didn't insult the choices I make if they don't impact on you in any way.
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Post by CaTaClYsM » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:44 am

Well Scientificaly it would have been imposible for a cell to have randomly formed. Science still lacks all the answers, there will always be the question of existence that they cannot answer, and lastly, it isn't any harder to believe that the universe was 'just there' than to believe that a supreme being is 'just there'.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by Kamoc » Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:26 pm

KhayotiK wrote:Either way trust in God but don't expect life to go without trials, don't hold it against Him if something goes wrong. (I tend to see this quite often in Christians, their cat died so God must not love them anymore.) Just keep the faith, smoke bud, and jam to Bob Marley.
allow me to get serious for a moment.

the common theists belief is that their god (whether the theist at hand is christian, jewish, or muslim) is incredibly omnipotent (all powerful), vastly omniscient (all knowing) and supremely benevolent (all-good). while the argument still stands, many refuse to see that there is evil on the earth. the holocaust, the pol pot massacres in cambodia, or even the widespread practice of torture are examples of this ever-growing moral evil. who beacons the answer is he who asks this question; this 'problem of evil' cannot be denied.

a vastly omniscient god would know that evil exists; an incredibly omnipotent god would be able to prevent evil from occuring; and a supremely benevolent god would want to prevent it from happening. why then does evil still occur? theists take great strides in seriously believing in an all-good god.

it is my belief that god was created by man in order to answer questions; questions no one had the answers to at that time, such as the question of Design (everything on the earth has a defined ability and the will to execute said ability; the human eye seems to be constructed as if for no other purpose other than to see), but with the ignorance of humans disipating, we have learned of the 'evoluton' theory; a theory that doesn't need a god to explain. sadly, some people took god too seriously and pursicuted the new belief; challenging it's 'good faith'. it's right to be accepted as true.

god is a patch; a piece of scotch tape that can hold humanity together until we find true replacements for those areas; credible and reliable answers. some people don't want to change though; some people want to keep the patches situated at their original spots; justified by the simple fact that "it's worked up to now". maybe even because what they see in the foundation of morals is beautiful and spledorous. although i cannot argue this belief in true beauty, i can say that we as humans wish to find wonder in anything we see. we crave to make anything and everything justified works of art.

unfortunately, existence is not poetry.
Cardinal.jpg wrote:I don't feel a meal is right without meat either but I abhor the death that goes into it, I am from the meat is murder family and therefore wont touch it. I try and distance myself from violence and death as mush as my mind can handle these days. If I can I would like to achieve a state where violence disgusts me, rather than see it and think iot is bland and boring if it is not grotesquely disgusting.
the first posts in this topic were about how their life is meaningless drivel. i'm sorry, but what i was aiming for with the original 'chinese food' statement was a reference to the clever chinese philospher Lin Yutang who said that "the pleasures of a bowl of soup can overcome thoughts of suicide". he made a poem that he could read every time he had the urge to commit suicide:

"Oh Soul, come back to joys beyond telling!
Where thirty cubits at harvest-time
The corn is stacked;
Where pies are cooked off millet and bearded-maize.
Guests watch the steaming bowls
And sniff the pungency of peppered herbs.
The cunning cook adds slices of bird-flesh,
Pigeon and yellow heron and black-crane.
They taste the badger stew.
O Soul, come back to feed on foods you love!
Next are brought
Fresh turtle, and sweet chicken cooked in cheese
Pressed by the men of Ch'u.
And pickled suckling-pig
And flesh of whelps floating in liver-sauce
With salad of minced radishes in brine;
All served with that hot spice of southernwood
The land of Wu supplies.
O Soul, come back and choose the meats you love!"
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Post by MegaMouth » Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:55 pm

I could go on forever on this topic, but I shall choose not to.
I am agnostic, hate organized religion, and have created my own religion. But none of you probably care. Unless I throw in some random retarded comment, you all probably don't even read my typing.
Too bad.
This is my argument on this WHOLE topic:
Why are you all bothering to debate this? How many of you are going wake up tomorrow morning and remember waht any of this said? Or even care for that matter. The internet is chock full of bull shit and things not worth ever seeing. The only way we ever remember what is on it is if it truely moved you in any sort of emotional way. In most cases, this is humor. In others, it may be medical, recipes for soup (which I need to get for Vietnamese soup), stories about tragedy, triumph, misplaed faith, but ALL of them have to truely touch your inner most self. I generally don't even bother talking of these sorts of things.
Later I am going to make a website about my personal religion. As much as it IS a religion, it is very unorganized and leaves room for people to be themselves (more than enough room). I may send a link sometime to it.

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Post by El Banana » Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:00 pm

Not to debate anything, but you just gotta looove the Bible...

Wisdom is a source of joy and peace. (Prov 3:13-17)
Wisdom is a source of grief and sorrow. (Eccl 1:18)

"For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever."(Jeremiah 17:4)

"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth."
(Matthew 28:18) "the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1John 5:19)

We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1John 4:18)

"But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22
"You blind fools!" (Jesus) Mat 23:17
"How foolish you are" (Jesus) Luke 24:25
I like bugging people. Deal with it.

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Post by MegaMouth » Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:04 pm

The old testament said that the signs of a false profit were changing water to wine, curing sickness with miracles, and making bread from wheat.
What did Jesus do to convince us?

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Post by Corran » Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:07 pm

I'm agnostic too.
El Banana wrote:...you just gotta looove the Bible...
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