Originality Score

Prodigi · Post by **Prodigi** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:12 am

The Originality Score is one i've never come to like. For starters, there is no specification on how to percieve Originality. Most look at it as how often the artist or anime is used, some go by the combination of the two, and some go by the concept. I personally go by a mixture of all three.

Now because with anime's such as DBZ, or games like FF7, which are so commonly used, it is impossible to get a high originality score. Same goes for using Linkin Park, or Evanescence. This can effectively eliminate any chances of a would-be amazing video getting on the Top 10% list, as a whole bunch of 3's or 4's under the Originality tab weighs them down.

Besides, when people look at opinion scores on a video, if they see ANY of the scores, whether Originality or not, below the 7 mark, the likelyhood of a download is near nil.

That's my personal nit-pick. I just wish there was some other tab that could be there instead of Originality.

ZaCloud · Post by **ZaCloud** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:25 am

I agree strongly. In some cases, the fear of a low Originality score can keep a very good video from being produced. Art should not be restricted when it comes to expression of ideas. And yet, many video artists are being restricted by the plain and simple fact that a lot of other people happened to use the same anime/video combinations as their mind wanted to express.

Some combinations seem made for each other, so naturally many minds would connect them. If someone comes along and wishes to make a vid combination, it's sad that they do a search, see that there's lots of others already doing their idea, and have to scrap their project. Hours of visualizing scenes and feeling an emotional bond between the music and anime, all thrown away, because of other people.

Creators shouldn't be punished this way. They should be able to make videos with whatever songs they want within the boundaries of .org rules. Penalizing them for a crime they didn't commit is mean. "I'm giving you a 3 in Originality because tons of ppl used this combo already"

Is it the creator's fault that "tons of ppl" did that?

Should their creativity be subdued, forced to slink away from natural choice because of others rather than themselves?

Isn't the best thing for ourselves supposed to be going our own way instead of following the crowd? Ahhh, there's where many people think, "Well, isn't that what some creators are doing? Making DBZ/Linkin Park because it's popular?" No. Not for the majority. They're making those because the combination feels fit for them. I challenge anyone to show me MORE creators that say "I'm using this combo cuz everyone else is doing it and wanna be popular", than creators that say "These seemed to fit, to me, so I made this."

So just because a lot of people agree on something, doesn't mean they're just going along with a fad. In trying to stay AWAY from supposedly being over-influenced by others... creators are then over-influenced by others in a different way. By being forced to change their artistic expression for others, instead of for themselves.

AMV creators make no money. They don't ONLY do it for others; they do it just as much, if not more, for themselves. I hope a way can be found not to hurt their reputation, and allow them to break free of unfair restraints when expressing themselves.

sayde · Post by **sayde** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:50 am

So perhaps the originality score should be optional much like the lip sync and special effects score? Because I feel to totally eliminate the orginality score might be harsh since you do have people who go out of there way to make the most original amv as possible. It would'nt be right to deny them the opportunity to find out how they did through the traditional scoring system. So, yeah. Make the originality score optional.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:32 am

It does still say in the mouse-over for originality that it is NOT based on the content used but the concept used, right?

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:37 am

Opinion page wrote:Guideline: This is basically how original the video is. If the video has been done before with the same or similar music and anime, the score should be lower. If the video is an original idea or uses music and anime in a way you weren't expecting, the score should be higher.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:44 am

So just because a lot of people agree on something, doesn't mean they're just going along with a fad. In trying to stay AWAY from supposedly being over-influenced by others... creators are then over-influenced by others in a different way. By being forced to change their artistic expression for others, instead of for themselves.

AMV creators make no money. They don't ONLY do it for others; they do it just as much, if not more, for themselves. I hope a way can be found not to hurt their reputation, and allow them to break free of unfair restraints when expressing themselves.

Sure, if you whore yourself out to ratings.

Don't do that, and you won't have any problems.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:47 pm

And here I was thinking that my high "originality" scores were what ruined my 'reputation' in the first place

I dislike the originality score myself, but only slightly more than the other scores. Ultimately, it's just an opinion. And we might as well let the viewers express the opinion in a number.

We still need a way to bitch about overused combinations and penalize them. Why? Because if we don't like them, we should be able to give the video lower marks somewhere. And if not "originality", then what? Overall?

Please. If you indeed do this for a hobby or art - along with the perspective of profits and gains, please leave your ego at home too.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:52 pm

Flint the Dwarf wrote:
Opinion page wrote:Guideline: This is basically how original the video is. If the video has been done before with the same or similar music and anime, the score should be lower. If the video is an original idea or uses music and anime in a way you weren't expecting, the score should be higher.

Ah, i guess it was just the way i read it then...

godix · Post by **godix** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:26 pm

originality average for the #1 rated video on the site: 9.82. Anime used: Naruto
#2: 9.75 using RahXephon
#3: 9.89 using Naruto
#4: 9.78 using a shitload of different anime
#5: 9.61 using FMA
#6: 9.62 using FMA
#7: 9.02 using Naruto
#8: 8.94 using Naruto
#9: 9.86 using various anime
#10: 9.95 using FMA

So out of the top 10 videos of the site 7 are using anime in the 'most used' list. Two just use a bunch of different anime. Only one is entirely something that is NOT on the 'most used' list and even then some of the vids with most used source are beating it in originality.

So much for that BS about not being able to get high originality when using very common source. These days originality, like all the other scores, doesn't mean a damned thing more than 'Hey, I liked the video so lets give it a 10 in everything!'

ZaCloud · Post by **ZaCloud** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:08 pm

Godix, you're going by the top-rated videos, which have to have a pretty large amount of ratings in order to even show up on that scale. While this does mean that there are a great many good videos where people decided to be merciful about the originality score... it also leaves out the videos which do NOT get many if any ratings.

And that is often because people glance, see a low rating number for Originality or see the anime/music combination is often used... and thus don't download the video.

And to the others who say it's about ego, and not to pay your scores a lot of mind... It's not just that. If others come in and see you have low ratings, then chances are they'll pass up your video and not watch it at all. Thus you're missing a lot of potential audience. That's what I'm talking about.

But everyone does videos for their own reasons. Perhaps ratings are not important to some of you. But to many others, they are very important. Those are the ones I'm taking into consideration, since I am one of them, and most people I know are as well.

We still need a way to bitch about overused combinations and penalize them? The answer to that wasn't an answer. If you don't like the combination, don't download the video. If the video sucks, then rate it accordingly as a video; there's plenty of technical stats for that, and plenty of space to type in the Comments sections.

I like the idea of making the Originality bracket optional; that way, if a vid is VERY unoriginal, you CAN bitch about it. But if it's very original and creative, you can give it its deserved credit.