My honest opinion about something was deleted [SPLIT]

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:20 pm

My deleted post was not flaming anybody in anyway... why was it deleted?

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:46 pm

K4lium (10:26:25 PM): Koop, can we talk for a minute?
K4lium (10:26:59 PM): Do you really feel the need to be involved with what amounts to Lee being an ass? <---refers to knives' deleted posts
CTC Koopiskation (10:27:35 PM): i know you guys are trying to keep the peace.. but what theyre doing is wrong... a lot of new ppl that see something about otakon and they want to get involved in it.. posting about a private party in a public forum is wrong and condescending to many ppl
K4lium (10:28:06 PM): first off, this is nothing new
CTC Koopiskation (10:28:14 PM): that doesnt make it right
K4lium (10:28:18 PM): granted
K4lium (10:28:25 PM): but that's not really my concern
CTC Koopiskation (10:28:25 PM): so move it out
CTC Koopiskation (10:28:28 PM): it IS
K4lium (10:28:32 PM): I'm not here to make an ethical claim
K4lium (10:28:44 PM): that's not what I do
CTC Koopiskation (10:28:45 PM): it obviously IS your concern if u feel the need to keep removing OUR opinions about this
K4lium (10:28:53 PM): flames are flames
CTC Koopiskation (10:28:59 PM): fine
CTC Koopiskation (10:29:04 PM): ill post what i just said here
CTC Koopiskation (10:29:08 PM): it is not a flame
K4lium (10:29:33 PM): That should be OK, but you might want to do capitalization touchup, etc.

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Now I did just that last night and now it has been deleted...

why?

SnhKnives · Post by **SnhKnives** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:54 pm

I think your post were deleted for being "off topic"

in which these will probably be deleted as well

lol

paizuri · Post by **paizuri** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:46 pm

It's a public forum, people can do what they want. People oftentimes DO do what they want. The mods are here to make sure it doesn't get out of control.

Last night there was a small conflict between two users (at least that I can tell, there were a couple other people involved in the mix, but they were either ignored or just too reasonable to pay attention to). It appears as if one of those users decided to shut down the thread by getting his friends to gang up on it and force a lock.

Now I don't mind if you are voicing your honest opinion but if you're just trying to raise a big stink out of this for kicks, I suggest you all take this passive-aggressive nonsense elsewhere.

As far as the privacy of this party is concerned, I am under the impression that it is not a closed party with a specified guest list. Space is a concern, as there is only so much room to cram people into. The party holders only ask that you know someone there in case of emergency or accident so that they will a) know who you are and b) be able to take care of you in case some unforeseen bad event occurs. Underage people are permitted, but the party throwers are not going to break the law and SERVE underage people knowingly and that's a lot harder to do if they are confronted by random strangers that no one knows that can verify their ages. Perhaps these reasons weren't stated clearly enough at the outset, but I hardly deem this thread to be as morally offensive and wrong as you make it out to be.

Feel free to contact me privately about this matter if it way off-topic. PMs or IMs or e-mails will work. Or if it really isn't that a big deal, just drop it now and we can all move on from here.

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:06 pm

paizuri wrote: Now I don't mind if you are voicing your honest opinion but if you're just trying to raise a big stink out of this for kicks, I suggest you all take this passive-aggressive nonsense elsewhere.

I was simply asking why my previous post was deleted. And no, I am not trying to raise a big stink out fo this for kicks. If you read my latest deleted post which were followed by dcdeveloperx and moonlightsoldier, we were simply stating our honest opinion.

Jimmyen wrote:
ForeverZeroo wrote:..but i'll still be there
And whoooom might yooou'm be?

Because you sure don't sound like someone familiar with our variety of party. And if you're not someone's friend, you might be at Otakon, but you won't be at Corbo Bash.

Partly the reason why I do not believe that this thread is promoting a 'good vibe' in this forum. I stated my opinion about the matter and it was deleted for the reason of trying to 'keep the peace.' Yet, there exists this rude comment to someone that simply wanted to join in on what seemed to be a fun gathering.

SnhKnives · Post by **SnhKnives** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:57 pm

paizuri wrote: It appears as if one of those users decided to shut down the thread by getting his friends to gang up on it and force a lock.

not exactly =/

paizuri · Post by **paizuri** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:53 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:
paizuri wrote: Now I don't mind if you are voicing your honest opinion but if you're just trying to raise a big stink out of this for kicks, I suggest you all take this passive-aggressive nonsense elsewhere.
I was simply asking why my previous post was deleted. And no, I am not trying to raise a big stink out fo this for kicks.

Your post asking why your previous post was deleted. Note the time of the posting is 09 Jun 2005 15:20.

Your post of the chat log with Kalium. Note the time of the posting is 09 Jun 2005 15:54. The time of the log ranges from 10:26 PM to 10:29 PM (no date specified).

The time of your post which I am responding to is 09 Jun 2005 17:06. Although I have not responded to your inquiry, it is quite possible that you had received an answer as to why your post was deleted in the hour and a half (roughly) between your posts. OR it could be that you already knew the answer. At which point, I question why you are posting in here again as opposed to taking it up with me personally as I stated, if not to raise a big stink.

Koopiskeva wrote:
Jimmyen wrote:
ForeverZeroo wrote:..but i'll still be there
And whoooom might yooou'm be?

Because you sure don't sound like someone familiar with our variety of party. And if you're not someone's friend, you might be at Otakon, but you won't be at Corbo Bash.
Partly the reason why I do not believe that this thread is promoting a 'good vibe' in this forum. I stated my opinion about the matter and it was deleted for the reason of trying to 'keep the peace.' Yet, there exists this rude comment to someone that simply wanted to join in on what seemed to be a fun gathering.

Fair enough, but let's not take this out of context. That post was dated 16 May 2005 04:44.

If you had read later posts, you would have noticed that:

Mr. Pilkington brought up this same argument. Dated 16 May 2005 08:46.

To which Jimmyen gives some reasoning to. Dated 16 May 2005 13:54.

And user moooooo also says a few things. Dated 16 May 2005 18:13.

Your recent spate of suddenly serious and community-upholding posts started last night (08 Jun 2005). This is about 3 weeks after the fact.

Since 16 May 2005 18:13, you have made 81 posts on these forums. Like this one, posted on 16 May 2005 20:28. Now it's quite possible that you don't read all the threads in this section and so weren't aware of the conditions of this party.

If you haven't noticed, we have in the past kept less than polite posts in threads after having appropriate rebuttals. That was the case for the post you cited because that post was an integral part of later posts.

However, doing a little background check on your posts, your last 200 posts don't seem to be particularly concerned about the community, save for those involving RDS Radio. This is where I call your posts in here passive-aggressive nonsense that has no place here.

SnhKnives wrote:
paizuri wrote: It appears as if one of those users decided to shut down the thread by getting his friends to gang up on it and force a lock.

not exactly =/

This is where I take away SnhKnives edit button since this is the second post he edited in here that I have seen. His original response was "uhhhhhhh no". Edit button proponents who read this please take note of what not to do if we happen to give you an edit button. I wouldn't mind giving you one and this is currently a matter of discussion but from how things are going today, I'm thinking it may be voted down.

So really....what are you trying to accomplish here? Is this thread morally offensive and should just be locked? Is it off-topic and doesn't belong anywhere on this board? Do you prefer tighter moderation? There are a number of in-jokes that fly around in posts that go over my head. I assume some people get them, but maybe it's just spam. They're just as easily removed as kept.

Or maybe you have decided to be defenders of all the little people who weren't invited or don't know enough friends of friends of friends? I think that's a worthy pursuit and I would certainly like to see less of the elitism and pretension this hobby seems to generate. You know what else we could lock? Threads about studios. Or at least those studios that aren't open for everyone to join. Think about all the people left out of those. Or all of those multi-editor projects that only have so many slots available? Lots of disappointed people there too. And what did they say in all of those threads when the limit was reached? Sorry, we're closed. Same thing here. And who is to say that you might not actually know a friend of a friend of a friend or meet someone at the con that knows someone else?

So I would really like to know what your true goal here is. The only thing I know is that you're straining existing relationships with people here. That, and I just wrote a goddamn book.

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:00 pm

Damn paizuri! I just got a hard on for you

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:54 pm

Do you really want a debate over here where I nitpick everything you say and have said in the past as well? My last deleted post was a re-iteration of the conversation I had with Kalium. The post that I made was of :

Koopiskeva wrote:My deleted post was not flaming anybody in anyway... why was it deleted?

..was my immediate response to that of finding out about the post I made last night being deleted. Then I posted the conversation I had with Kalium. I ask why that post was deleted and no, it has not been answered except for these reasons in which you give:

paizuri wrote:The time of your post which I am responding to is 09 Jun 2005 17:06. Although I have not responded to your inquiry, it is quite possible that you had received an answer as to why your post was deleted in the hour and a half (roughly) between your posts. OR it could be that you already knew the answer. At which point, I question why you are posting in here again as opposed to taking it up with me personally as I stated, if not to raise a big stink.

This does not answer the question that I asked, and as for raising a big stink, this involves you as well because you are also posting about this in this forum as opposed to messaging me yourself.

Now you attack my integrity and character by referring to posts I have made in the past. I thought moderators had no place for passive-aggresiveness in this forum?

paizuri wrote:So really....what are you trying to accomplish here?

I had an opinion in which I stated, but it was deleted for reasons that aren't said except for 'Mr. Pilkington brought up the same argument' and Jimmyen gives some reasoning too.' Does that make my opinion invalid and therefore not allowed to be stated? Does that mean that I am not allowed to voice my opinion on a subject in which I had valid reasoning for and though it may cause some disagreement in the eyes of others, should be removed? Also, does that mean that I should be a target of criticism because of posts I had made in the past? I made no such attack towards you, yet you play it off as if I were on trial here and begin to tell me that I have no right in showing any kind of concern about the community.

Regardless of the countless other threads that have come and gone in the same vain as this ongoing thread, am I not allowed to voice an opinion about this particular thread without having to say everything about everything else? I'm not a martyr here trying to prove to create a better soceity for all of us, I simply stated an opinion about something I didn't agree with.

If you want to keep going on with questioning my motives and wanting to 'keep the peace.' Why is it that in the AMV Announcement forums, when someone says that they do not like a video that was released on there, those posts don't get removed? It causes just as much disagreement and strain especially to the creators of those videos. So, why in this thread is it any different for me to disagree with the situation? Why should I be sujected to modding when it is allowed to happen elsewhere on the forums? Now, I truly question the motive in which my honest opinion about a situation has to be deleted.

[paizuri: Fixed quotes.]

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:57 pm

What's at the core of this? The exclusion at Corbo Bash? Paizuri, you say you're under the impression that Corbo Bash is not a closed party?

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:I think it needs to be stated that this is not a public get together of amv creators, rather a private party consisting of many amv creators who are friends.

Just like last year the corbo bash thread appears as an invitation to everyone and their donkey, when it's not.

It would seem to me that it is indeed a private party, although it is possible for people to make their way in if they are good friends with someone there. I didn't see what Koop wrote, but I did see what Knives wrote, and I am in agreement. At the very least, the thread has served its purpose in perpetuating the inflated ego of already aristocratic and exalted creators. By making this public post about a private party, they are exalting Corbo Bash over any other potential AMV party and singling out these privileged creators, even if it's unintentional. I bear none of these creators ill will, and I don't believe that they are intentionally creating a further rift between "amateur" creators and "talented" creators. But they undeniably have a certain reputation, and that vibe of exclusion is very much understandable.

But is that reason for deleting the thread? Well, I'm not a moderator here and I don't know exactly how things work. You, Paizuri, do bring up a good point about AMV studio threads (especially the closed studios) and multi-editor projects. Although, with the multi-editor projects, these threads are very useful for coordination.