Idea for next years VCAs

Sephzilla · Post by **Sephzilla** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:00 am

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but considering there is no definative "VCA Forum" besides the shameless plug forum, which will be gone after the VCA's anyway, this seemed like the most appropriate forum for this idea.

It's not truly an AMV idea, its more some "help" for some AMVs going into the 05 VCAs.

As we all know there's a deadline for video entries into the VCAs, but the video nomination period starts around a month or so after that deadline expires... so many videos that barely make the release cut (by intention or accidental) dont have much time to get recognized.

My proposition is that all videos released perhaps in the month of December before that years VCA competion be given a "Second Chance" pass into the following years VCAs.

This idea was spawned from one thing, an AMV created by a close friend of mine was released around a week before the VCA cut and since it didnt have much time to show itself off... it got overlooked and not nominated into the VCAs.

The video I speak of is "IRIA: Complete Authority" by AltruisticCrono of DZX Productions.

This video is to date the only good Iria video I've see on a-m-v.org and an AMV that does Linkin Park justice... the only thing is people cant get past that its a fitting Linkin Park song and the video itself is very good.

It just angered me to see that Complete Authority was not up for (or at least close to) being up for Video of the Year and/or Action Video of the Year, especially when you look at a couple of the ones it could have been up against...

--Note I dont mean to take away from either of this AMVs, I enjoy them both--

AMV Hell - This isnt even a true AMV, its just a compilation of scrapped ideas..

Vash The Desperado - Its a parody just like its intro states, how did it get into the action category?

==LIKE I SAID THESE VIDEOS ARE STILL GOOD I DONT MEAN TO FLAME THEM==

My point is it just doesnt seem fair to those videos that just didnt have an entire 6 months to a year extra to shine.

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:11 am

If a creator really cares about the VCA's and finishes a video in december that they think won't have enough time to get "recognized", they could just wait a few weeks and enter it in January.

Vash The Desperado - Its a parody just like its intro states, how did it get into the action category?

Because it has action in it? If you noticed, Shounen Bushido is in there, too.

silver_moon · Post by **silver_moon** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:19 am

The VCA nominations didn't end until Jan. 31, so even if a video was released on the last day of the year, it would still have a month to "get popular", which I think is plenty of time.

Whisper of the Beast was released in December, and as you probably noticed it was able to get very popular in time for the VCAs... it was popular long before the VCAs even started. And personally, I'd seen that Iria video before I nominated any videos, and I didn't nominate it. Not because I hadn't seen it, but because I'd seen other videos that I thought deserved Best Action more than that video. I'm not saying it was a bad video, it was still good, I just don't agree that the only possible explanation for why it wasn't nominated was because there wasn't enough time for people to see it.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:26 am

SephirothX wrote:My proposition is that all videos released perhaps in the month of December before that years VCA competion be given a "Second Chance" pass into the following years VCAs.

Although I don't agree with all of Tsunami's logic, no. I see your reasoning behind this, but I wouldn't support it. And you're also failing to look at the other end: chances are that that video will be mostly forgotten by the next year anyway.

But frankly, I don't think a video's release date is the most important thing when it comes to whether a video gets into the VCAs or not. If you're really worried about the video getting in or not, you have access to all sorts of creators and people to watch your video in a short amount of time. Many people are willing to watch if you just ask. All of my videos, after one year, have had probably 1/2 their views in the first month of premiering.

If someone *really* wants to get into the VCAs, and they finished their video in December and honestly think it's good enough to make it, here's what they do (sort of like what Tsunami suggested): take all of December to get your name around the chat rooms and the forums, and send out betas of your video (even though your vid is finished), then make a tiny trailer of your video and release it near the end of December. Pimp that in the VCAs to get people to watch it, but make sure they know you're going to release the full video in a month or less. If your video is good enough to get into the VCAs, people will like your trailer and take notice, while you're prancing around the forum building up a reputation as one of its members. Then in the middle of January, release your video and pimp it out as much as possible. Then you have the entire rest of the year to throw it around every thread that you think is applicable.

If you really want to win in the VCAs, you just might have to sacrifice a little patience and time.

Sephzilla · Post by **Sephzilla** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:55 am

I fully understand everyones logic in this thread.

Its just when your name is "AbsoluteDestiny" or someone very well known amongst the AMV community sure you can release a video 2 months before VCA nominations end and it'll get in and be a contender.

When you come from one of the most unknown and possibly underrated studios though, it gets frustrating when all of your work goes so unnoticed. Frankly to me it feels disrespectful.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:07 am

SephirothX wrote:When you come from one of the most unknown and possibly underrated studios though, it gets frustrating when all of your work goes so unnoticed. Frankly to me it feels disrespectful.

It's not disrespectful. Unfortunately, it's just the way things are.

There are so many videos submitted per year that it's inevitable that good videos are going to get passed by unless you make a name for yourself. You can either do that by making a near revolutionary video (very hard) or by sticking to the forums and letting people know who you are.

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:14 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote: You can either do that by making a near revolutionary video (very hard) or by sticking to the forums and letting people know who you are.

Don't forget about conventions. There's the possibility that your video could get shown to thousands of people across the nation who wouldn't normally see it otherwise.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:19 am

Personally, I hold that one of my biggest Org mistakes was releasing DV:UI with only a week left in 2003, rather than waiting until January 2004 (or even Katsucon). I was simply being overeager and didn't have the patience to wait a year to see it up for VCAage.

But you live and learn. You can bet, if I make any more videos I think might be VCA material, I won't be releasing them in December.

SephirothX wrote:Its just when your name is "AbsoluteDestiny" or someone very well known amongst the AMV community sure you can release a video 2 months before VCA nominations end and it'll get in and be a contender.

When you come from one of the most unknown and possibly underrated studios though, it gets frustrating when all of your work goes so unnoticed. Frankly to me it feels disrespectful.

I think I've already expressed my thoughts on issues like this in a different thread, but I don't mind quickly expounding them again.

- No one started out in this hobby with tons of name recognition. Everyone was unknown at one point or another.
- Those who are well-known creators today had to do something to become well known.
- That "something" usually consists of making great videos and giving them proper publicity.
- The "great video" part of that is essential; all the promotion in the world won't win a poor video a VCA.
- The "proper publicity" part is usually also required; you could have the next Euphoria-killer, but if no one knows it exists, then they can't very well vote for it.
- Submitting to conventions is a good idea from a publicity standpoint, assuming your videos will get played there.
- SOMETIMES a really great video will spread quickly and gain lots of popularity without any real promotional effort on the part of the creators, but this is the exception, not the rule.

YouTube · Post by **derobert** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:49 am

Are there more January, 2004 videos than December, 2004 videos nominated to the VCAs? A quick check shows December 2004 got more nominations, but I'll be back with more complete stats... Have a question for Phade...

YouTube · Post by **derobert** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:37 pm

Here is the the number of nominations for videos that premiered in each month:

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| 2004-01 |            2139 |
| 2004-02 |            4427 |
| 2004-03 |            3543 |
| 2004-04 |            4089 |
| 2004-05 |           11519 |
| 2004-06 |            2968 |
| 2004-07 |            4847 |
| 2004-08 |            4336 |
| 2004-09 |            8083 |
| 2004-10 |            3349 |
| 2004-11 |            2514 |
| 2004-12 |            3529 |

And here, for reference, is the number of videos that premiered in each month

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| 2004-01 |            1988 |
| 2004-02 |            1996 |
| 2004-03 |            2070 |
| 2004-04 |            2363 |
| 2004-05 |            2260 |
| 2004-06 |            2357 |
| 2004-07 |            2634 |
| 2004-08 |            2794 |
| 2004-09 |            2430 |
| 2004-10 |            2645 |
| 2004-11 |            2064 |
| 2004-12 |            1989 |

Dividing the former by the latter reveals the average number of nominations per video premiered that month

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01 1.07595573440643863179
02 2.21793587174348697394
03 1.71159420289855072463
04 1.73042742276766821836
05 5.09690265486725663716
06 1.25922783198981756470
07 1.84016704631738800303
08 1.55189692197566213314
09 3.32633744855967078189
10 1.26616257088846880907
11 1.21802325581395348837
12 1.77425842131724484665

Which can then feed that into gnuplot, and wind up with a graph:

I do not see any correlation between date premiered and number of nominations.