The "Story" Category

EvaFan · Post by **EvaFan** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:55 pm

Doktor F.C. Mad Genius wrote:you could diversify infinitely,

story is too vague.

Well... TBH I don't see how its much more vague if any then a trailer.

All your doing is telling a story that is different than intended from the anime. However sometimes people make unique stories this way and its purposely done. The only difference is your not limiting yourself with trailer audio's. You could use a song that captures a theme in it with its lyrics and tell a story with your video source according to it.

There is more to it then just lyric sync in a storytelling amv. Scene choices, order, ambience... I dunno maybe I am over analyzing it but I still think this deserves a genre.

Well im done arguing for it, I tried. Kind of pointless if I'm the only one who really sees it as a genre enough to argue for it.

pink haze · Post by **pink haze** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:05 pm

I'd argue for it, but I already did in the thread I posted, in great length and depth. It's nice to see someone else trying though.

CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:47 pm

To be honest, I have a category in my AMV Collection called "Storytelling". I put videos in there that I think tell a story rather than fit another genre.

I'd be all for it.

Krisqo · Post by **Krisqo** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:52 pm

I'd be for it, but one small problem. How do you filter out all the AMVs worthy of the "stoytelling" category? Any editor can develop a valid argument as to why his/her video fall into this group.

If anything, maybe set it aside for AMVs that weave a entirely different story than that of the original source. I'd like to be able to finally track down some good videos that do that.

pink haze · Post by **pink haze** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:32 am

Personally, I never thought the basic genres could be amended. The VCAs are all I'm hoping for. But I'll answer Krisqo's question anyway.

Q: How do you filter out all the AMVs worthy of the "stoytelling" category? Any editor can develop a valid argument as to why his/her video fall into this group.
A: Simple. It will happen automatically. If "storytelling" were a genre, people would not label their videos as a part of that genre unless they believed that others could recognize their video as belonging in it. Why? Because genres do not exist for the creator of the music video. They exist, like the movie categories in Blockbuster stores, for consumer reference.
If, instead, "storytelling" were a category in a contest, like the VCAs, only the best and most obviously successful storytelling AMVs would make it to the top. That's what contests do. They filter out the bad stuff and leave only the good to win (hopefully).

On another note, for organization's sake I'll point out that there are two topics being discussed in this thread: "alternate storyline" AMVs, which are what I think Eva-fan was talking about in the first post, and regular "storytelling" AMVs.

EvaFan · Post by **EvaFan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:14 am

I think the problem is the word choice. The word storytelling or story isn't limiting or doesn't enforce the main idea being "A story unique different from the animes story".

I was thinking of words last night but all I could come up with is "Substance". Not the regular meaning mind you... The philosophical meaning:

10. Philosophy. a. something that exists by itself and in which accidents or attributes inhere; that which receives modifications and is not itself a mode; something that is causally active; something that is more than an event.
b. the essential part of a thing; essence.
c. a thing considered as a continuing whole.

Other problem with that is most people are not writers and have no idea that word has that meaning

. I'm still looking for a word that can describe the main rule but I haven't found one yet other than substance.

We obviously cant use a word that encompasses any storyline thrown together in an amv. Basically what I'm trying to say is using the word "Story" or "Story Telling" as a genre is to vague. We need a word for clarification of what exactly the rule of thumb for the genre is.

CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:22 am

Plot Driven?

pink haze · Post by **pink haze** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:38 am

I think the way silver_moon described her "From the Ashes" video in her comments was pretty straightforward and understandable.

"I really wanted to make a non-typical Full Metal Alchemist AMV that did the series justice, so I thought one of the most interesting ways to do that would be to make an alternate storyline (a video that doesn't follow the actual plot of the series)."

Her video followed a different, contrived plotline, which she described in detail in her comments and which got her nominated for "best storytelling" in AWA Pro 2006.

Alternate storyline - does this term correctly describe what you mean, Eva-Fan?

EvaFan · Post by **EvaFan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:57 pm

pink haze wrote:Alternate storyline - does this term correctly describe what you mean, Eva-Fan?

well yeah, but i don't know if the mods would like it having more then 1 word to describe the idea behind it.

It's hard enough to get them to consider adding a new genre as it is.

EvaFan · Post by **EvaFan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:41 pm

First of all sorry about the double post.

Second... It would be nice to get some feedback by someone who is in charge of this stuff before pressing this matter any further.

If the people in charge(mods maybe?) are fully against this idea then their's no point in us continuing the topic.

I find it funny though that one of the most well respected cons in the USofA has an award for the imposed genre though. I didn't know AWA had an award for it till now. Just one more reason it should be implicated.