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Post by LivingFlame » Mon May 05, 2008 6:41 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:You didn't, as I didn't directly quote you saying it, now did I? Instead, I inferred it to make a point. I also infer from your statement that you think his opinion is entirely invalid as well, and that you think he is "narrow-minded." But isn't invalidating someone's opinion like that "narrow-minded" also?
If you want to look at me as being narrow-minded in this instance then feel free to do so. In some manner of speaking I suppose it is.

I accept his/her opinion as just that, an opinion. But his/her making such a rash generalization about a video based mostly on music (and not the connection of the music to the video) leads me (as myself) to view the opinion as mostly baseless as there seems to be no real critical observations or judgements being made about the video outside of, "I don't like the song, so the video isn't all that great. Max score is 1.67/5." I can't see that as a truly valid rating.
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LivingFlame wrote:"The whole of anything is greater than the sum of its parts."
In terms of quantity, yes. In terms of quality, meaning, or anything else? Not necessarily. If you add two piles of crap together, all you have is one big pile of crap.
Actually, this statement has nothing to do with quantity. It's the principle that says that people don't first see the individual parts of a whole, but rather see the whole itself. When you look at a person, you don't see two arms, two legs, a pair of ears, a nose, etc. You see the whole human as a singular piece.

In a similar respect, when I watch a video, I'm not going to just look for one piece (the music here) and dismiss the whole based on a single part. I'll look at the whole and see how the editor has fit all the given pieces together to create one cohesive experience. That, in my mind, is open-minded and objective.

And no, there's nothing wrong with eventually breaking a video down to the individual pieces to get even more critical; I'm not dismissing that. But to be objective, even when analyzing the individual parts, the whole has to be considered as well.
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Post by Kalium » Mon May 05, 2008 6:45 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:In terms of quantity, yes. In terms of quality, meaning, or anything else? Not necessarily. If you add two piles of crap together, all you have is one big pile of crap.
And when you add a signature to a toilet seat or a screwdriver, suddenly you have groundbreaking (or so some would claim) art.

Ideally, making the whole greater than the sum of its parts is exactly what we do here.

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Post by Tsunami Jones » Mon May 05, 2008 8:36 pm

LivingFlame wrote:Actually, this statement has nothing to do with quantity.
Actually, it does have quite a bit to do with quantity. If there was not more than a single part, the statement would not work. But in addition to quality, I addressed the normal meaning that it implies in terms of quality.
Kalium wrote: Ideally, making the whole greater than the sum of its parts is exactly what we do here.
In theory :P

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Post by BasharOfTheAges » Mon May 05, 2008 9:56 pm

It's still narrow-minded to a fault to base a score about the sum of all parts (the most important being execution and quality) to a tiny subset (audio or video source) of the whole. It's like saying you don't like a painting because of the brand of brush used to paint it.
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Post by Ileia » Tue May 06, 2008 1:37 am

Actually, it's closer to not liking a painting due to the medium used. >_>


Either way, I think the song used does play a big part. The "couldn't get into the song" bit is a common gripe with videos, if you can't, you just can't. The music plays a bigger role than some people think. Some really good editors can make you love a video with a song you hate (or the opposite can happen. Bad editors can make you hate a video with a song that you love).


Anyway, to the original poster, Bashar and Otohiko are right about it being too subjective. You could do what I do sometimes, I just google an artist and find out for myself, check out websites on the artist. Especially MySpace, where the artist is likely to have a profile with music that you can listen to. The internet is full of resources, taking an extra step to learn a genre isn't too difficult.
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Post by BasharOfTheAges » Tue May 06, 2008 9:21 am

Alternatively, listen to pandora.com to find band names you can later search for.
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Post by Kristyrat » Tue May 06, 2008 10:21 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Alternatively, listen to pandora.com to find band names you can later search for.
Only if you're in the United States.

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Post by Autraya » Fri May 09, 2008 1:32 am

Just make Alexheart categorise everything >.> then nightwish would be in the "anti music" category :P
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Post by Emotive » Fri May 09, 2008 6:52 am

Kristyrat wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Alternatively, listen to pandora.com to find band names you can later search for.
Only if you're in the United States.

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You can always use last.fm. :o
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Post by Shui » Fri May 09, 2008 7:45 am

Cast to Stone wrote:
Kristyrat wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Alternatively, listen to pandora.com to find band names you can later search for.
Only if you're in the United States.

:x

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You can always use last.fm. :o
It can't replace pandora. I tried it ... no it can't.
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