Evanescence, Seether and Creed videos no longer available

Zahmira · Post by **Zahmira** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:12 pm

I don't post much, but I felt that I would get involved here.

My understanding of US law is not the greatest, but I seem to recall that a site is not responsible for content that it links to. If that is the case than indirect links to these videos would be fine, but the person hosting them would need to be aware of what could happen.

temaranight · Post by **temaranight** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:15 pm

As it was said before..we all knew it had to happen sooner or later. And as it was also stated before, be thankful that it was only removing links from the site, and not removing the money in Phade's wallet and/or ours in a lawsuit.
Were they in the wrong? Were we in the right? Vice versa? Who knows, the debate could could on forever. I for one am not worried about it, and just thankful it happened with as little pain as possible as it did and with the org itself remaining online.

A big thank you to Phade for handling the situation so well, even if it did nearly cause him a massive stroke in the process... =p

DaCoolGohan · Post by **DaCoolGohan** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:15 pm

Yeah thats pretty much the deal, as long as you are not hosting the videos on your site you are in the clear for now.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:26 pm

I agree with what RollTheStampede and MisterFurious have said for the most part. Life is still going to go on. Just because you can't upload/link videos using these three artists doesn't mean you can't edit AMVs with these three artists. Like I said earlier, AMV distribution existed before the Org was here. Also, I think that the only reason, or at least the main reason, that Wind-Up Records acted was that it was brought to their attention, and that AMVs were thought to be affiliated with the record label and the artist. I don't see this as the beginning of the end. I see it as only a knee-jerk reaction. It was something they legally were obligated to do. It's my thinking that this is also why only those three artists were asked to be removed, when there are other artists on the label, but weren't mentioned in this e-mail to the label. I seriously doubt there is a massive RIAA conspiricy now to put everyone in jail or anything. We all need to pretend to lie down and take a breather. We're blowing this out of proportion.

Scintilla: I'm not entirely positive. Like I said, if anyone could correct any of my information, feel free to do so. Brad brought up a great point about the music not being altered. That hadn't even crossed my mind. Anyhow, I need to get going to broadcast my internet radio program (wow, shameless), so I looked this site up. I'm going to read it once I get home, but if anyone else would like to read it and figure out what is legal about DVD ripping, feel free to do so. Of course, that site might not have all the answers.

As everyone else is doing, I would like to give my appriciation to Phade. You've done what many of us couldn't, not only in dealing with the record label lawyers, but running this site in general. You're truly a great man for doing so.

Zahmira · Post by **Zahmira** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:34 pm

I forgot to mention in my post how much I appreaciate everything that Phade has done. Thanks, man!

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:49 pm

Can we still put video information down if we make any new videos with those artists?

genestarwind21122 · Post by **genestarwind21122** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:11 pm

x_rex30 wrote:Can we still put video information down if we make any new videos with those artists?

Yes you can by having that information up it will not hurt you or the org. I read it in this post. I belive Phade said that.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:15 pm

Knowname wrote: Dear Evanesance,

On November the 15th the creative community was dealt a strict blow, supposedly in your name. I would like to confirm that your intentions trueley are to stop fan productions of music rip offs in your name. I, myself, am not a creator of music videos useing your songs but I do enjoy watching those that do and would like to see at least some closure on this incadent.

Please know that nobody in this Modified Music Video (remember it does not affect amvs only) community means any harm, much like yourselves as artists do through your works. Whatever your decision I would like you to know this, your voice is one of the boldest and most pronounced in the industry, it truley WAS great material to work with.

Sincereley,
Knowname
Creator, AMVs.org

Don't put "Creator, AMVs.org" in there. You aren't Phade and such wording could easily be misconstrued that you are the operator of the site.

Also, while your intentions are good, I don't see this helping. I'm not sure how much leeway Phade had in his talks but it doesn't sound he had much.

Adv1sor · Post by **Adv1sor** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:42 pm

So, we don't need to start the Phade legal defense fund?

Good job of keeping a level head and doing the right thing Phade. All of here are in your debt.

[Mike of the Desert] · Post by **[Mike of the Desert]** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:47 pm

Corran wrote:
Knowname wrote: Dear Evanesance,

On November the 15th the creative community was dealt a strict blow, supposedly in your name. I would like to confirm that your intentions trueley are to stop fan productions of music rip offs in your name. I, myself, am not a creator of music videos useing your songs but I do enjoy watching those that do and would like to see at least some closure on this incadent.

Please know that nobody in this Modified Music Video (remember it does not affect amvs only) community means any harm, much like yourselves as artists do through your works. Whatever your decision I would like you to know this, your voice is one of the boldest and most pronounced in the industry, it truley WAS great material to work with.

Sincereley,
Knowname
Creator, AMVs.org
Don't put "Creator, AMVs.org" in there. You aren't Phade and such wording could easily be misconstrued that you are the operator of the site.

Also, while your intentions are good, I don't see this helping. I'm not sure how much leeway Phade had in his talks but it doesn't sound he had much.

Phade can't have a lot of legal power, we're talking about a true band that became "angry" because of his copyrights, this means it will not only go for a-m-v.org, but also privates will have problems with this. That's another problem, I talked with my father about this, he said that in this case, if the Evanescence made this to a-m-v.org this means they will be "looking" for any type of site that make their songs "public" in any way, this means that even a private studio site will have problem if it have Evanescence in it. The only thing they could not touch are Interne Spaces with password and login of the single user, that use them as a folder, but in the case he would link his works, that could make problems.
I don't think anyway that them will go searching for everyone of us so deeply.

So, in the end, it is not possible to even create a link on the comments.
Btw I would have a question in my mind.. Providing a link to a website where we uploaded it, writing instructions to reach the true link, would be the same? I think yes (so it is not possible legally), but I would like to hear at least some more opinions.