More Bandwidth and Revenue Needed

[kitsunebeolnet]

Heh Heh...

I'll buy an ad, put my studio logo in it with a link back to my videos...that ought to send then screaming to donate.

[SQ]

Phade:

Out of curiousity, what would happen if nobody donated? Would you let the whole site go down, or would you pull the whole donut? Restrict uploads? What would you do?

Pen-pen: I think a lot of forum regs just don't support the donut. Frankly, I want the donut gone. But I donate anyway just because I like Phade and he's a cool guy. If Phade takes donation at AWA this year again, I'll have some cash lined up for him.

Phade, again:

Good luck finding an advertising service. That's going to be the hardest thing to do for your idea. A lot of companies don't really allow you to pick and choose ads like that, and I don't really think any companies really revolve around anime/music/digital media.
It would really suck if you had to pull up agreements for each individual company and randomize them all yourself. XP

[SpringBoy]

I like the advertising idea. It's fairly simple and should be effective whilst not affecting donators.

I think there should be Google ads at the bottom of all pages as well though. I, for one, have no problems regularly clicking on these to help out a site.

Not to sound like a "Google AdSense whore" but there's a few other benefits. It's quick and painless to set up and doesn't require anyone wasting time trying to solicite ads from companies. They're unobtrusive so people won't mind them, especially at the bottom of a page. They're not just "pat per click" - there's also payment based on viewings.

You'd have to check the legals though. https://www.google.com/adsense/policies I think there's a few things that a-m-v.org would fall outside of.

PS. I'll be donating when I get home in a few days and get my hands on my parents' credit card: I'm owed a birthday present.

[BasharOfTheAges]

There are a few things about google ads that might cause problems if they are used on the site. For example:

On the wait page:

Clicks on Google ads must not result in a new browser window being launched.

That would redirect the page and abort the download, right?

On any main site page:

In order to avoid associations with copyright claims, website publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with MP3, Video, News Groups, and Image Results.

The legal arena question as already been discussed, so i'm not getting into anything here, but we might fit under "video."

A general point of interest:

Web pages may not include incentives of any kind for users to click on ads. This includes encouraging users to click on the ads or to visit the advertisers' sites as well as drawing any undue attention to the ads. This activity is strictly prohibited in order to avoid potential inflation of advertiser costs. For example, your site cannot contain phrases such as "click here," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language that could apply to any ad, regardless of content. In addition, publishers may not bring unnatural attention to sites displaying ads through unsolicited mass emails or unwanted advertisements on third-party websites. These activities are strictly prohibited in order to avoid potential inflation of advertiser costs.

One could read this as, "you can't have pledge info on the same page as google ads." because any such termanology as "suport us" could be misinterperted as "click on the link!"

And based on the small scope of our discussion topics, advertising with other companies other than google results in this problem:

We do not permit Google ads or search boxes accessing Google search services to be published on web pages that also contain what could be considered competing ads or services. If you have elected to receive contextually-targeted Google ads, this would include all other contextually-targeted ads or links on the same page as Google ads. This would also include ads throughout the site that mimic Google ads or otherwise appear to be associated with Google on your site. Although you may sell ads directly on your site, it is your responsibility to ensure these ads do not mimic Google ads. If you have elected to receive Google search services, this would include other search services on the same site and non-Google query-targeted ads. We do allow affiliate or limited-text links.

Just throwing this out there as realistic imput for once.

[Zarxrax]

However for non-donators, the new setup will have them looking at paid ads along with the “your download will start...” message.

As I've said before, I just worry this will make it look like we are out to profit off of copyrighted material (in particular, I worry about the music). Trying to say:

yeah, every time someone goes to download this quite-possibly-illegally distributed copyrighted work, we make X cents, but, no, really, we're not profiting off your work! We're just a fully non-commercial fan site! Really!

is not an argument I'd like to have to make.

Dero, I think the difference here would be that Kazaa was set up as a commercial company with a profit motive. The org is structured as a non-profit organization, which would go a long ways towards making that a non-problem. As long as Phade keeps good records of where the money goes, I don't see there being a problem.

[shishlik]

i know i haven't donated and i hope i will soon but i think the real problem with people not donating is that not many people are aware of the donations.
yes, it asks you to donate when you search and when you download but the way i see it, the site should have more talk and info about how much it relise and donations.
i think not allowing people to download amvs wouldn't be a good solution because i think the site's basic idea (and correct me if im wrong) is to promote AMVs and anime in general.
I see the problem derobert raised in advertisements but i think you'll have to compremise on that.
other then that i think phade's idea is really great and should work.
companys will probably want to advertise anime and video related products anyway since those are things people here will actually be interested in.
if i were looking for a place to advertise anime, wouldn't such a big fansite be my first piriority?
this site has always been a good source for me for amvs and also a way of making friends watch anime too.
i hope it'll stay free and download friendly:)
must donate soon...

[SuperFusion]

Oh, so you're suggesting that Phade make us pay for AMVs? I'd like to see him defend that in court.

[shishlik]

no i said the advertisements in the waiting for download part was a good idea not at all paying for the videos!

[derobert]

Dero, I think the difference here would be that Kazaa was set up as a commercial company with a profit motive. The org is structured as a non-profit organization.

Unfortunately, that's not true, as is fairly easily found on the <a href="http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corpor ... 211">North Carolina Secretary of State website</a>. If Org were actually a non-profit, yeah, it'd be much clearer.

Phade: I think at one point you said you were thinking of doing the additional paperwork... any progress on that? It'd also let us keep money from year to year w/o paying obscene taxes, right?

[Zero]

SQ: Who said anything about a service? The .org could make it's own just like other sites (Such as Megatokyo, Bob and George and Mac-Hall to name a few) and target their space toward anime companies and the like. And you attitude towards the Donut is very negitive.

BasharOfTheAges: Phade never said using Google ads. Besides, they're too much of a target for fraud.

Otherwise, I'd say Phade goes for the idea.

How it should work: Companies pay for impressions (AKA, how many times it shows up) or time depending on how it's decided and from there the ads show up on the non-donator's download page using the "Target=Blank" part so it pops up.

I've said my peace.

-Zero