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Donaithnen · Post by **Donaithnen** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:07 pm

Except apparently the deadline was not midnight EST, it was 11:50 PM EST. I could have voted in another 2 or 3 categories if we'd gotten the full allotment of time =/

Org Profile · Post by **Kireblue** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:19 pm

Donaithnen wrote:Except apparently the deadline was not midnight EST, it was 11:50 PM EST. I could have voted in another 2 or 3 categories if we'd gotten the full allotment of time =/

hmmm. Not sure why it ended 10 minutes early. I'll make sure to look into that and confirm the exact end time for the final round of voting.

Org Profile · Post by **Kireblue** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:43 pm

Congratulations to all the winners of the 2017 Viewers' Choice Awards! The full list of winner and finalists can be found here.

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You can also watch all the finalists and semifinalists in playlists here:

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Org Profile · Post by **Cenit** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:19 am

Congratulations to all the winners.

Since there is no feedback thread yet i'd like to share some thoughts on the current state of the VCAs. TL;DR there should be less awards:

-> Merge Collabs and MEPs into one catrgory. There were like 15 in each category this year. Every collab/MEP automatically proceeds into the second round
-> Remove best short video. Short Videos are usually the laziest AMVs unless done by blabbler
-> Remove Trailer. I haven't seen a good AMV Trailer in forever. And there are hardly any to begin with. If you must, merge Trailer it with parody.
-> Remove Best Use of Single Anime. Seriously that's basic editing. I haven't seen anything new/outstanding being done with single source Anime since Nostromos FMA Always Hardcore. Unlike use of multiple Anime, which is fine and should stay.
-> Remove Rookie of the year. That award has always been misunderstood. lolligerjoj even refused his nomination because he had previous experience. You can not expect voters to truthfully check out every new editors catalog if they really just started now. Or judge them without knowing about their previous experience. Viewers will vote for whoever they know, vote randomly or don't vote at all. It's a meaningless award.

This would improve the VCAs a lot/make it less of a joke. Unfortunately it's current year, not 2005.

Oh and get a new website...

PieandBeer · Post by **PieandBeer** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:33 am

Cenit wrote:Congratulations to all the winners.

Since there is no feedback thread yet i'd like to share some thoughts on the current state of the VCAs. TL;DR there should be less awards:

-> Merge Collabs and MEPs into one catrgory. There were like 15 in each category this year. Every collab/MEP automatically proceeds into the second round
-> Remove best short video. Short Videos are usually the laziest AMVs unless done by blabbler
-> Remove Trailer. I haven't seen a good AMV Trailer in forever. And there are hardly any to begin with. If you must, merge Trailer it with parody.
-> Remove Best Use of Single Anime. Seriously that's basic editing. I haven't seen anything new/outstanding being done with single source Anime since Nostromos FMA Always Hardcore. Unlike use of multiple Anime, which is fine and should stay.
-> Remove Rookie of the year. That award has always been misunderstood. lolligerjoj even refused his nomination because he had previous experience. You can not expect voters to truthfully check out every new editors catalog if they really just started now. Or judge them without knowing about their previous experience. Viewers will vote for whoever they know, vote randomly or don't vote at all. It's a meaningless award.

This would improve the VCAs a lot/make it less of a joke. Unfortunately it's current year, not 2005.

Oh and get a new website...

I agree with most of this. I like single source in theory, like approaching these as /fan videos/ not just editing feats, but I think there are so many videos that get shut out of this category because the way the source is labeled in the catalog. For example, a Madoka video using the films that totally captures the spirit of the source is considered multi-anime because the films are separate.

Wouldn't call the short video lazy at all, there are tons this year that showed just as much effort and skill as normal length videos. I think the issue is that it is another technicality. Like, why judge a video that is 1:59 in a different group than a vid that is 2:01?

I think the issue with Rookie is that in my mind, it should overlap with Most Improved. Like sort of an "Up and coming editor award" and not a "you had the basics of editing down before you started making amvs" type thing to celebrate improvement and growth instead of skills already present.

also also thank you everyone i'm like legit shocked @_@ congrats to the winners!

Org Profile · Post by **Kireblue** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:45 am

Cenit wrote:Since there is no feedback thread yet i'd like to share some thoughts on the current state of the VCAs. TL;DR there should be less awards:

Just added feedback to the thread title

Cenit wrote:-> Merge Collabs and MEPs into one category. There were like 15 in each category this year. Every collab/MEP automatically proceeds into the second round

That's not a bad idea. I feel that MEPs and collabs can be vastly different and are juded by different standards though. MEPs intentionally try to make it obvious where one person's work ends and the other begins. But collabs try to blend everyone's work together so that no 1 person completely owns any specific part. I feel that this distinction is why the 2 categories are separated and should remain that way. Collabs and MEPs are becoming less common within the community though, and so I totally understand your reasoning.

Cenit wrote:-> Remove best short video. Short Videos are usually the laziest AMVs unless done by blabbler

I personally don't share that opinion, and AMVs are actually trending to becoming shorter and shorter (which means more and more vids are becoming eligible for this category). But if people no longer want the "short video" category, it can be removed. I'd need a bigger consensus from the userbase though. It was a category that was voted in by the users multiple times in the past, and so it just became a permanent category.

Cenit wrote:-> Remove Trailer. I haven't seen a good AMV Trailer in forever. And there are hardly any to begin with. If you must, merge Trailer it with parody.

I actually disagree 100% with this one. I personally feel that the trailer genre is currently stronger than it has ever been. There are already a ton of really good trailers uploaded and cataloged for 2017, and 2016 was a really strong year as well IMO. The idea of merging the category with Parody isn't bad, but I personally feel that Trailers and pure parodies don't really compete that well with each other. So one solution that I've been considering is renaming the "Best Trailer or Commercial" category to simply "Best Trailer", and then renaming the "Best Parody Video" category to "Best Parody or Commercial". I feel that this is a much better split and makes the distinction between the two categories more understandable.

Cenit wrote:-> Remove Best Use of Single Anime. Seriously that's basic editing. I haven't seen anything new/outstanding being done with single source Anime since Nostromos FMA Always Hardcore. Unlike use of multiple Anime, which is fine and should stay.

There is nothing about the single source category that relates to basic editing or not using effects. I personally feel that the category is meant to acknowledge videos that bring out the most of their source and have a certain charm due to their specific source combination. Not everyone see's the category the way I do, and so I totally understand wanting to remove it. So that's something I'll definitely consider with the other mods/ admins for next year's VCAs

Cenit wrote:-> Remove Rookie of the year. That award has always been misunderstood. lolligerjoj even refused his nomination because he had previous experience. You can not expect voters to truthfully check out every new editors catalog if they really just started now. Or judge them without knowing about their previous experience. Viewers will vote for whoever they know, vote randomly or don't vote at all. It's a meaningless award.

I think I can agree with everything that you said except that the award is meaningless. This year, the "Best first video" category was removed since I felt that its purpose was the same as the "Rookie of the Year" category. I do believe that there is a value in recognizing the efforts of new editors, but you've made valid points. And so, I'm not sure if I 100% agree or disagree with the idea of removing the category. But I'll add that to the list of things to discuss for next year's VCAs.

Cenit wrote:Oh and get a new website...

trying

Although I didn't agree with a lot of your opinions, thank you for taking the time to offer feedback. And also, thanks for reminding me that there needed to be a designated thread for it

Org Profile · Post by **Cenit** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:10 am

Thanks for reply. I doubt you'll find a group that can speak for most here. Either change things or don't. Maybe there will be some more replys. Most of the awards i named were added in the recent years and not part of the first VCAs.

Collabs and MEPs are group efforts and the result should be judged as such. Seperating them has always been a problem in the past and the rules change almost every year.

I simply don't like trailer AMVs. I don't like fan made trailers for movies either. To me it overlaps a lot with parody. I don't see why they shouldn't be merged but that's just me.

Lirinis · Post by **Lirinis** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:55 am

How many people voted?

Org Profile · Post by **Kireblue** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:12 am

Lirinis wrote:How many people voted?

A total of 136 users voted during the final round of this year's VCAs.

YouTube · Post by **Rider4Z** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:36 pm

More than I thought.

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