What is the BEST video editer out there?

AngelOfTheDark · Post by **AngelOfTheDark** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:45 pm

CrackTheSky wrote: Also it's best to not use .wmv files for editing.

Is that because of compatibility issues or quality issues? Or something else?

CrackTheSky · Post by **CrackTheSky** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:02 pm

Well, .wmv files have great quality usually, but they've already been compressed so they don't edit well and usually cause stability issues in editing programs. If you can help it, always try to edit with lossless .avi files. They'll be huge, but you avoid the risk of incompatability and poor quality.

Plus when you try to compress your project into a distributable file, the quality will suffer huge because you'll end up compressing already-compressed files. :/ It's better to just stick with lossless codecs.

AngelOfTheDark · Post by **AngelOfTheDark** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:43 pm

Okay, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the advice.

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:04 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:Well, .wmv files have great quality usually

thats like saying real video has great quality usually... it all depends on the compression so if WMV is looking good, it's becuase they are using a high enough bitrate. Same goes for real video. a lot of people associate real video with shitty quality... well thats only if you use lower bitrates.

anyway, for editing you want to use a lossless codec mostly because you want lose quality from converting it. lossless is the type of compression. so just becuase it's compressed doesn;t mean its not editable. MPEG2 is lossy compressed (like wmv, real video, xvid, divx, h264) and many editors, including myself, edit with the ripped MPEG2s straight off the dvd. which there is no need to convert the source to a lossless codec.

Pwolf

Willen · Post by **Willen** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:37 am

Pwolf wrote:MPEG2 is lossy compressed (like wmv, real video, xvid, divx, h264) and many editors, including myself, edit with the ripped MPEG2s straight off the dvd. which there is no need to convert the source to a lossless codec.

Technically, unless you are sticking the VOBs straight into your editing software, you aren't editing with the MPEG2s ripped off the DVD. Editing indexed VOBs (D2V files) in an AVS script (and using fake AVIs/AFAPI) is essentially editing with uncompressed video, but video uncompressed on-the-fly via frameserving.

I did this (fake AVIs) once in Magix, and started 2 other projects the same way, but I disliked the lag when I scrubbed for footage. So I switched to clipping. Because Premiere can open AVS files directly via the plug-in, it's probably easier and more convenient for Premiere users to do this.

And, yes Magix supports editing from the VOBs directly, but I don't recommend it because of the issues involved in editing with footage not properly de-interlaced and the possible improper mixing of different aspect ratio sources, among other things.

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:41 am

well, you are right, but it's still editing with the raw mpeg2's non-the-less... you just have a middle man doing some work for you. Avisynth just happens to output an uncompressed stream.

it's slow using mpeg2s like that tho. if you were using avisynth over huffyuv it would be a lot faster for the same reasons one would want to use huffyuv in the first place... it's faster to edit with.

Pwolf

AngelOfTheDark · Post by **AngelOfTheDark** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:06 pm

I was wondering, since there is no free trial for Premier Elements, could someone point me in the direction of a few AMVs made with the program, so I can get a look at what it looks like in action and what it's capable of? Thanks.

Kariudo · Post by **Kariudo** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:20 pm

trial version of elements 3.0

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:28 pm

AngelOfTheDark wrote:I was wondering, since there is no free trial for Premier Elements, could someone point me in the direction of a few AMVs made with the program, so I can get a look at what it looks like in action and what it's capable of? Thanks.

Premiere Elements 2.0: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=81797

Windows Movie Maker 2: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=88813

Avisynth (aka notepad and vdub for finding the right frames): http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=90180

Sony Vegas 6: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=92094

Magix Movie Edit Pro 10: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=103329

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:30 pm

PS: pretty much all the other videos i've made were using Premiere 6.5 or lower.

Pwolf