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Post by dwchang » Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:53 pm

klinky wrote:Also LCDs still are having some 'response time' issues :o. So they're not that great for gaming ;o.

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Well if you get one < 25 ms you're fine. I know what you're talking about with ghosting, but I run UT2k3 and Quake3 fine and I am an avid 3D FPS.

As for prices, I agree. I had extra $ since I got the chips for free (working at AMD) so I bought the LCD and DVD+/-RW as well. Sorry if I'm bragging..don't mean to. Either way I understand the cost point..I basically went ALL out on this computer...dual and all :)
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:02 am

My main objection to them in gaming isn't the ghosting - I've seen plenty pf LCDs that fix that issue... it's the problems with black and white levels.

It seems that on most LCDs I've seen that the near-black colours all become total black and the near white colours become a brilliant bleach white. It's nasty when trying to play counter-strike as you've got no chance of seeing someone in the dark :)

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Post by klinky » Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:32 am

Well my experience with LCDs was working at Norm Thompson. Though actually, I think these were cheapies. Mainly purchased for their small footprint and their low power consumption.

But anyways, I think some of the LCDs were running out through a analog > DVI converter @ a non-native resolution. Also their response time just sucked anyways. It looked pretty horrible. Though all I had to run was a telnet app. However when trying to scroll a web page,everything would blur, heh. Like high level motion blur was added to it. Ugly =\

oh well ;p

They set it up wrong and got the cheapies. :roll:

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Post by dwchang » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:37 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:My main objection to them in gaming isn't the ghosting - I've seen plenty pf LCDs that fix that issue... it's the problems with black and white levels.

It seems that on most LCDs I've seen that the near-black colours all become total black and the near white colours become a brilliant bleach white. It's nasty when trying to play counter-strike as you've got no chance of seeing someone in the dark :)
I play Cstrike just fine with my LCD thank you very much (just ask Hitori) :-P If you weren't so far away (lag), I'd ask you to play with us.
klinky wrote:Well my experience with LCDs was working at Norm Thompson. Though actually, I think these were cheapies. Mainly purchased for their small footprint and their low power consumption.

But anyways, I think some of the LCDs were running out through a analog > DVI converter @ a non-native resolution. Also their response time just sucked anyways. It looked pretty horrible. Though all I had to run was a telnet app. However when trying to scroll a web page,everything would blur, heh. Like high level motion blur was added to it. Ugly =\
Yeah if they don't have native DVI and need a converter, they are lower end. A warning to those who are looking at LCDs and see those cheap ones (under 400 bucks) at Bestbuy, etc....DON'T BUY THOSE. They are ANALOG and NOT digital. They also have a shitty refresh rate (will have ghosting).

I guess I agree with you and Ian to a degree, but I bought a good DVI with refresh rates < 25 ms. With those settings you should be fine and have awesome picture.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:08 pm

dwchang wrote:I play Cstrike just fine with my LCD thank you very much (just ask Hitori) :-P If you weren't so far away (lag), I'd ask you to play with us.
No harm in trying the server to see if I can get <100 ping. Then I can headshot you on de.survivor whilst you get blinded in the white outside and confused in the dark corridors :)

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Post by dwchang » Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:45 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
dwchang wrote:I play Cstrike just fine with my LCD thank you very much (just ask Hitori) :-P If you weren't so far away (lag), I'd ask you to play with us.
No harm in trying the server to see if I can get <100 ping. Then I can headshot you on de.survivor whilst you get blinded in the white outside and confused in the dark corridors :)
Alright, recently Hitori and I have moved to this server:

209.237.40.60:27015

I hope you can get a good ping since Hitori and I do. If not, give us an IP and we'll try it on our end.

Also go to ClanRV's forum. Unfortunately the server has gone down, but I guess we will still post match times and servers on there. As for a time...unsure right now since I am working on a video and Hitori has been MIA :-P

Oh and I will pwn j00 f00 :-P
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:54 pm

You probably will own me, but it's all good - I enjoy CS on a well run server free of aimbots and wallhacks :)

Unfortunately I'm getting a 200ms ping on there at the moment. So no AWP headshots for me then.

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Post by dwchang » Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:02 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:You probably will own me, but it's all good - I enjoy CS on a well run server free of aimbots and wallhacks :)

Unfortunately I'm getting a 200ms ping on there at the moment. So no AWP headshots for me then.
200 ping eh? I guess we could try servers you like and maybe we'll get great ping there. I think it would be QUITE unfair for Hitori and I since get < 40 ping on there.

As for owning..it doesn't matter. I have fun playing...esp. with people I know. Although that doesnt' apply to Hitori who is teh sux0r regardless and gets pwned by Miyuki-Chan :-P.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:09 pm

Well, I tend to play on UK servers:

http://www.meatyballs.net/

have good servers with a good level of play and regular admins. I like those severs.



If they are full I usually play on jolt.co.uk servers

http://www.cs.jolt.co.uk/index.php?page=servers.php


The jolt servers occasionally get invaded by cheaters though :/


I generally get 20/30ms ping on the above... Maybe we could play on an asian server and both of us get crappy ping :P


P.S. Sorry for taking the thread totally OT

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Post by dwchang » Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:48 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Well, I tend to play on UK servers:

http://www.meatyballs.net/

have good servers with a good level of play and regular admins. I like those severs.



If they are full I usually play on jolt.co.uk servers

http://www.cs.jolt.co.uk/index.php?page=servers.php


The jolt servers occasionally get invaded by cheaters though :/


I generally get 20/30ms ping on the above... Maybe we could play on an asian server and both of us get crappy ping :P


P.S. Sorry for taking the thread totally OT
Alright I'll try some tonight or maybe later in the week (gotta focus on my vid). Hitori can you try?

Asian servers and crappy ping? Heh...so we can both have like 500 ping and be "teleporting" yeah...fun :)

Yeah it's OT, but no one has complained yet :)
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Post by CoolMatty » Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:05 pm

Another bad thing about LCDs: If you ever run them in a resolution other than their native resolution, it looks like crap. That becomes a real problem with games when you lower the res to make the game run better, while your comp gets older.

And even with the newest LCDs, there is a still signs of ghosting that you can see, especially on high contrast areas, like black on white, etc.

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Post by dwchang » Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:55 pm

CoolMatty wrote:Another bad thing about LCDs: If you ever run them in a resolution other than their native resolution, it looks like crap. That becomes a real problem with games when you lower the res to make the game run better, while your comp gets older.

And even with the newest LCDs, there is a still signs of ghosting that you can see, especially on high contrast areas, like black on white, etc.
Well I don't think I'll run into that problem since I run a dual 2 Ghz set-up and can run all my 3D FPS at 100+ FPS (although I limit it to 60 since you can't tell the difference). I think my dual should hold up for a good amount of time. I also run everything at the same res (1024x768). However, I have gone to 12XXx1024 and it looks fine.

As for ghosting, honestly...if you get the setting I mentioned, there is no problem. I did QUITE a bit of research before buying an expensive LCD. I am a gamer and definitely wouldn't have bought it if it had ghosting. < 25 ms...trust me. I think most of you are thinking those $200 analog LCDs at Bestbuy.
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Post by madmallard » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:20 pm

um, isnt that because in an analog crt monitor, the video card is pushing the bandwidtch and frequency? and with and digital monitor, the monitor itself renders the display image and the video card is just relaying passive digital info?

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Post by dwchang » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:25 pm

sixstop wrote:um, isnt that because in an analog crt monitor, the video card is pushing the bandwidtch and frequency? and with and digital monitor, the monitor itself renders the display image and the video card is just relaying passive digital info?
I don't think the video card is slow enough that it would matter. The refresh rate on a Monitor/LCD is obviously how fast it refreshes the pixels. When this is a high number, you get ghosting since an image is still on the screen or isn't refreshed quickly enough.

You are correct about the bandwidth and frequency don't get me wrong. In fact, although it's "digital," with DVI, it's still has a frequency and bandwidthy component. In this case it would more be taken care of by a bus of bits (ooh alliteration), but it would be sent at a frequency (I believe it's either 60 or 75 Hz) through a "square" function.

What I'm getting at is that the LCD itself refreshes the data it receives from the videocard at that refresh frequency. In any case, I like it and it's fine so :-P
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Post by Hitori » Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:07 pm

What's this about CS in a topic on Video Card Help? :?
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