dual processors

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:55 am

Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.
Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???

Good question, I've had no trouble with them and video editing in general...

Vlad

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:21 am

Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.
Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???

think he means dual p3s since p3s (even p3 Xeons) aren't made for dual processing. p4s are made for dual processing (and btw they will never make a add on that can make your pc dual cuz the motherboard has to have a bunch of extra features to support it, it's impossible till they can make a pc on a chip)

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:10 am

Knowname wrote:
Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.
Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???
think he means dual p3s since p3s (even p3 Xeons) aren't made for dual processing. p4s are made for dual processing (and btw they will never make a add on that can make your pc dual cuz the motherboard has to have a bunch of extra features to support it, it's impossible till they can make a pc on a chip)

Errr uhh PIII is based off of PII core, which is based off the Pentium Pro core which had uber support for SMP. Not exactly sure where you guys are coming from with the PIII not being meant for dual processor.

http://2cpu.com/FAQ/2cpusmpfaq.html

Errr? Yeah

~klinky

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:33 pm

Knowname wrote:
Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.
Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???
think he means dual p3s since p3s (even p3 Xeons) aren't made for dual processing. p4s are made for dual processing (and btw they will never make a add on that can make your pc dual cuz the motherboard has to have a bunch of extra features to support it, it's impossible till they can make a pc on a chip)

1st off I never said that!

2nd how do you figure?

It's quite possible and fun to run a dual P3. As we all know the P3 was pretty much queen bitch of the universe. It had all the power you could slam in to a CPU or that size. Realistically the best Processor ever! But pain is the price of the CPU's and motherboard. As well as cooling. A majority of cases now a days are far too small to properly support the kind of air space needed for a dual P3 board. You have to do massive crinos case mods just to fit enough fans. The if you plan on doing a dual P3 really you shouldn't use anything less than RDRAM. So really with the current technology your better off with and MP system.

Brolli411 · Post by **Brolli411** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 1:14 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:It's quite possible and fun to run a dual P3. As we all know the P3 was pretty much queen bitch of the universe. It had all the power you could slam in to a CPU or that size. Realistically the best Processor ever! But pain is the price of the CPU's and motherboard. As well as cooling. A majority of cases now a days are far too small to properly support the kind of air space needed for a dual P3 board. You have to do massive crinos case mods just to fit enough fans. The if you plan on doing a dual P3 really you shouldn't use anything less than RDRAM. So really with the current technology your better off with and MP system.

I beg to differ, it all depends on what you are doing. If, say, you are running a server, I would have to go with the PII, for high trafficking kind of usage (That is unless I had some Xeon's or Athlon MP's available). If I'm not mistaken, the PII's have a higher Cache than the following models. And if you're using duel processors, the speed isn't going to be that bad.

...And then you can fuck around with this mofo.

http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/Mothe ... /P4QH6.htm

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 1:24 pm

True, but not much power is required for a server. I think however that we were more or less refering to use via editing. a dual P2, while mildly adiquite would not proform half as well as a dual P3. And really if you can find a BETTER P3 (IE: one of the 4.5 Volt models) you really get far more than what you expect. I had a 450 (4.5 volt) P3 that out did my 650. So really once agian it all depends on the model of the prosessor. But correct u are, out of all the chips out there I found I got my best (file server) proformance out of P2's and Ppro's.

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 2:03 pm

PIIIs main difference from PIIs are:

...mainly ran on a S370 board(I believe there was a 450 that used the SECC2)
....included added SSE instructions(they did alot of promos about how it was going to boost your internet experience

)
...the cache was split in half and moved on chip. While you had half the cache it was operating at wayy more then it was before. This actually provides better performance in most applications.
...Coppermine versions later used copper interconnects and moved to a 0.18 micron process.

Other then that. There is not a whole lot of difference between a PII and a PIII. Coppermines were quite a bit quicker.

Servers need alot of power, doing anything. a-m-v.org as to process each page it produces. It's just a web server. If a home server is what you need, just ftp/web/nat/file for your personal use, then pretty much anything will do. You could do it on a Pentium 200 running win2k/linux(hopefully you have a decent hard drive controller to do DMA with ^_^).

As for media editing, a PIII is definitely going to be quicker, especially if you use a coppermine. SSE alone will boost your speed a bit.

As for "NEEDING RDRAM". That's not actually required. You can do a dual processer system with out using the overpriced and crappy RDRAM. RDRAM was released with the i820 chipset by intel. This was later on after the PIII showed up.

You can still use PC133 SDRAM and you will see a improvement.

Also I do not know where you get off saying the PIII was a hot chip and that you would have to mod a case to fit extra fans in to cool the beasts down is absurd. You could run the setup with two stock fans, the P/S fan and a exhaust fan in the back. That's it. No modding to somehow fit 12 fans in your system.

~klinky

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:16 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:True, but not much power is required for a server.

*laughs in Pilkington's face*

That's an incredibly stupid blanket statement you made there, kid.

TokyoU15 · Post by **TokyoU15** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:36 pm

now now, that was a bit harsh Jdick, I mean Jbone. =P

Anyway, I use a Dual Processor AMD Athlon MP 2000's for my post production needs. It gave me a 50% improvement in speed. THe only reason I don't edit on that is because I have my DV500 on my other machine. What use to take me 50 minutes to encode a VBR mpeg at 2000kb/s now takes me 20 minutes on the dual processor machine.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:38 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:1st off I never said that!

thus the phrase 'I think' (I being understood

)

Mr Pilkington wrote:2nd how do you figure?

It's quite possible and fun to run a dual P3. As we all know the P3 was pretty much queen bitch of the universe. It had all the power you could slam in to a CPU or that size. Realistically the best Processor ever! But pain is the price of the CPU's and motherboard. As well as cooling. A majority of cases now a days are far too small to properly support the kind of air space needed for a dual P3 board. You have to do massive crinos case mods just to fit enough fans. The if you plan on doing a dual P3 really you shouldn't use anything less than RDRAM. So really with the current technology your better off with and MP system.

don't you just love when ppl answer their own questions? here my turn, yes.

But you coulda' just said p3's (Athies) run quite hot compaired to the non-consumer stuff at the time (P4 and Clawhammer).

p3's can't run with rdram