What could this computer handle for say the next 10yrs

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:34 pm

Kariudo wrote:I'd like to see the day that a human brain can be suplemented with a cpu.

That happened as soon as spreadsheets, databases, computer graphics, and word processing (among other things) were invented. In other words, a long time ago.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:58 pm

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:It being "the thing" is a mentality that works up until the sheer ridiculousness of having an 8 core processor and 16GB or RAM to check your email and browse the web is what's being offered to you.
You underestimate Microsoft. Wait 3...4 more Windows generations, and this will be the minimum requirements to run windows. And newer technologies at the internet will require newer browser and email-proggies - which require the latest Windows.

Microsoft leading the way with intentionally bloaty software to sell more top-of-the-line computers? I believe it. But as for it really being nessisary, you're just proving my point. It isn't and won't be. I think eventually people will realize that.

Keeper of Hellfire wrote: My first data connection was at 2400kBit/s, now I'm sitting behind 1MBit/s DSL. What do you think will I have in 10 years? I'm confident it's 1GBit/s.

If you look at certain Asian markets you'll see that speeds that fast already exist. No ISP in a major market (the U.S., most of europe, etc.) will touch that though. They know 1 in a million people would use that kind of bandwidth potential and most people would simply share connections, cutting into their profits significantly.

I have no doubt (as Kariudo pointed out) that new inventiosn will come, but by and by those will most likely not be desktop computers - rather something more. I think most of the new invention will be in I/O though I know the "numbers game" (bigger = better, amirite) will still be marketed for quite some time. There's a ceiling for our current method of progression not in how much bigger and better we CAN make it, but it how much that will really matter with properly designed software. No sence intentionally making bloted O(2^n) algorythms just because you have a processor that can figure it out anyways...

Kariudo · Post by **Kariudo** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:11 pm

Kalium wrote:
Kariudo wrote:I'd like to see the day that a human brain can be suplemented with a cpu.
That happened as soon as spreadsheets, databases, computer graphics, and word processing (among other things) were invented. In other words, a long time ago.

by that I meant that a person could add a cpu to their brain, sending commands from the brain (without the need for apendages like these fingers that take a lot of time to coordinate to move in the correct pattern to get the desired result) to carry out simple comparisons and calculations at blinding speed. (comparitavely)

If I told you to compute the value of 7^6, it would take a little while, but it's possible. A cpu can give you the answer much much faster(I know it takes a bit more than just the cpu to do this...but my point still stands)
at 2GHz and 16,807 additions (assuming 8 "operations" per addition. 2 to read/store from a memory address and 2 to perform the addition...I don't know how it really works yet) it would take ~0.000067228 seconds to get the answer

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:16 pm

Or... You could use a calculator. o.O

I think my idea works much better.

Let's not even touch on the topic of you suggesting something as wasteful as using a 2.0ghz processor to do high school math. A Zilog Z80 would be overkill. How would you even propose to POWER such a thing? It'd need external batteries cause you sure as hell can't leech enough bioelectric energy out of a human body to run a 2ghz CPU. :/

Please, tell me you don't actually think that pile of sci-fi crap is a good idea.

Kariudo · Post by **Kariudo** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:45 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote: Let's not even touch on the topic of you suggesting something as wasteful as using a 2.0ghz processor to do high school math.

it was just an example...geez. I didn't really want to go too far into something like how it could find taylor polynomials for functions/series and other things of the sort. (improve engineering by eliminating a common source of human error, poor approximation...and being able to get better approximations for more complicated situations)

How would you even propose to POWER such a thing?

for the power...didn't think of that, but by the time that's feasable the cpu process size will probably be in picometers or femtometers...and power consumption would also go down. hey! what about that virus battery I was talking about hmm?

Or... You could use a calculator. o.O

calculator? pshaw! what with the use of the human brain for simple calculations and reliance on fingers, the ammount of time wasted in transit is enormous (and error-prone).

Please, tell me you don't actually think that pile of sci-fi crap is a good idea.

part of my mentioning that was me thinking it was a good idea.
I don't tell you how to dream...
<_<

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:14 pm

Kariudo wrote:I'd like to see the day that a human brain can be suplemented with a cpu.

Resistance is feudal.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:45 pm

They do have brain powed contol systems in labs for playing video games... it coudl advance from there.

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:47 pm

Pulling X and Y locations by reading specific strong signals from the brain is a bit different than transfering complicated math into a computer via the brain.

Realisticly, a more plausable HID implimentation is the technology based on an optical sensor mouned to your computer screen that can look at your eyes and figure out what you're looking at the screen but their position and directions.

A much less creepy idea for the future too I might add.

Keeper of Hellfire · Post by **Keeper of Hellfire** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:34 am

DJ_Izumi wrote:I dunno about you but the speed I have access to via Cable Internet hasn't really changed in the last 5.5 years since I got it.

As I ordered DSL about 3 years ago, 756KBit/s was the upper limit. Since a year or so I could even order 6MBit/s DSL, but I don't think it's worth the money at the moment. The increase from 756Kbit/s to 1MBit/s was without additional charge because it's meanwhile the lowest available speed.

BasharOfTheAges wrote:They know 1 in a million people would use that kind of bandwidth potential and most people would simply share connections, cutting into their profits significantly.

People living in one household already share data connections, so more bandwidth is interesting for them. And I doubt that many people will found communities to share connections between different households. And had you ever the feel of really fast data connection? I had, as I tried to work as freelance software developer and rented my office from an ISP. With direct LAN connection to the ISP, having Internet access over their gateway.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:55 am

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:They know 1 in a million people would use that kind of bandwidth potential and most people would simply share connections, cutting into their profits significantly.
People living in one household already share data connections, so more bandwidth is interesting for them. And I doubt that many people will found communities to share connections between different households. And had you ever the feel of really fast data connection? I had, as I tried to work as freelance software developer and rented my office from an ISP. With direct LAN connection to the ISP, having Internet access over their gateway.

I'm talking GBps connections or approaching that. No single person, or even a house full of people are going to use that much bandwidth for personal useage... That useage is either going to be illegal or unprofitable for the ISP.

With such a connection you could set up your own webhosting business or (more likely) have several dedicated IRC / torrenting rigs - both of which would most likely be against their TOS anyways. I can't think of a legitimate reason for it... but in the same way, companies can manufacture bongs as "artwork" so it's still probably all about whether or not it's profitable to the ISPs - not if there exists any way to use that much bandwidth that isn't illegal or agaisnt their TOS.