HOW TO MAKE VIDEO LOOK LIKE COMPLETE ASS

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:23 pm

No, betamax is of higher quallity than VHS, though not nearlly to the inane levels that people tend to believe it to be. The difference is quite difficult to tell on normal consumer tv's (much as HK bootlegs of 8 discs compressed to 3 still look good on tv). The reason beta lost in popularity to the VHS was it's short recording time (even though it stayed at least one month ahead of the VHS market when it came to technical inovations).
Beta was used by TV stations due to its ability to hold more visual information.

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 11:37 pm

Beta has alway's had a cleaner image that VHS/AMV's blah blah !!

TV stations still use Betamax for delayed broadcast's - its that clean ^_^

if it wasn't for the Gamble that VHS distributors took in the 1980's, by dropping the price of Blank Video Tapes to 1/3 the price of Beta's, we would still be using Beta's in the home - today!

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:37 am

post-it wrote:Beta has alway's had a cleaner image that VHS/AMV's blah blah !!

TV stations still use Betamax for delayed broadcast's - its that clean ^_^

if it wasn't for the Gamble that VHS distributors took in the 1980's, by dropping the price of Blank Video Tapes to 1/3 the price of Beta's, we would still be using Beta's in the home - today!

That, and a bunch of other market conditions.

I still agree with you, though. But why aren't TV stations going digital now?

The theatre rep I talked to at Landmark-Mayan said for digital projection they use a proprietary format and software to do the shows. But behind every supermarket counter, nuclear missile silo and now theaters - Wintel...

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:18 am

You make no fuckin' sense.

The broadcasters don't want to waste more money on shit people aren't watching. The ones who are watching, they're making enuf money off of. Why invest to make the consumers watch when they're already watching?

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:20 am

danielwang wrote:But why aren't TV stations going digital now?

they are - and have already been going digital for quite some time now ^^
1) 10 second drop-line/frame rebuild calculator [ fully digital and running 24/7 ]
2) Automated Commercail Controllers [ no one needs to be at the station ]
3) Automated and Manual U-matic Controllers for Editing ( U-matic is Beta )

if you mean, by the name Digital, HDTV; that is not a problem for Beta's of today either!
[ its VHS and Reel2Reel VCR's that can not handle those signals ]
. . although editing HDTV films are a little too tricky for College Grad's it is and can be learned in time ^^

Bandwidth:
a) FCC Regulations allow up to 8 meg of a signal over standard TV Relay's.
b) the average VHS unit has a limitation about 5.8 megahurtz T_T
c) Sattillite has a 38 meg limit.
d) U-matic and Beta have no problems with 28 - 34 meg.
e) HDTV requires 24 - 26 megahurtz

soo . . reguardless if the TV Station can handle HDTV, FCC Regulations and the common VHS tape machines can not handle them!

as one of the WCTA TV 7 - KidsWB TV and relay Engineer's, I should have an idea of what the equipment is capable of ^^ don't you think ? ^^

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:39 am

actually broadcast HDTV is around 19mbps.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:43 am

I saw mhz as mbps somehow

it's far too late

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:33 am

post-it wrote:if it wasn't for the Gamble that VHS distributors took in the 1980's, by dropping the price of Blank Video Tapes to 1/3 the price of Beta's, we would still be using Beta's in the home - today!

It was the difference in the lenght of the tapes, not the price, that brought VHS to the lead in the consumer market. You could get a beta player for up to $200 less than a VHS back in 1984 (then again, the race for the larger share of the market was pretty much over by then)

I geuss, really, it comes to overall gains and losses from VHS.

VHS could hold more information
VHS was cheaper (all around)
VHS had a much much wider selection of movies on tape (up to three times more than Beta)
The difference in quallity between beta and VHS wasn't something the average consumer could see.

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:03 pm

post-it wrote:
danielwang wrote:But why aren't TV stations going digital now?
they are - and have already been going digital for quite some time now ^^
1) 10 second drop-line/frame rebuild calculator [ fully digital and running 24/7 ]
2) Automated Commercail Controllers [ no one needs to be at the station ]
3) Automated and Manual U-matic Controllers for Editing ( U-matic is Beta )

if you mean, by the name Digital, HDTV; that is not a problem for Beta's of today either!
[ its VHS and Reel2Reel VCR's that can not handle those signals ]
. . although editing HDTV films are a little too tricky for College Grad's it is and can be learned in time ^^

Bandwidth:
a) FCC Regulations allow up to 8 meg of a signal over standard TV Relay's.
b) the average VHS unit has a limitation about 5.8 megahurtz T_T
c) Sattillite has a 38 meg limit.
d) U-matic and Beta have no problems with 28 - 34 meg.
e) HDTV requires 24 - 26 megahurtz

soo . . reguardless if the TV Station can handle HDTV, FCC Regulations and the common VHS tape machines can not handle them!

as one of the WCTA TV 7 - KidsWB TV and relay Engineer's, I should have an idea of what the equipment is capable of ^^ don't you think ? ^^

Of course.

But this FCC BS is absolutely ridiculous.
Anyways, my parents work at Dish Net, and I was asking some of the engineers about the symbol rates that each signal carried...
The cable in home is 300 something Mhz and Dish is stronger and higher becuase apparently the FCC has a limit on the frequency and power of cabling, which is why the 56k modem can't transmit 56k.

We should all convert to Japan-type FCC-unregulated cabling such as Ethernet. Or, install optical cabling to houses and have "over 2.7 MILLION channels!", data, phone, etc. We're in the comms dark age now.

Mmmmm.... we should all convert to hub or token ring optical Ethernet... with Windows Media 9 Series HDTV. Would be so much better.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:42 pm

When it comes to the Hertz rating for a signal, it is not some arbitrary determination of the FCC. There are physical limitations to the medium through which a signal is delivered.