Xvid problems

[the Black Monarch]

Precision and control... over what?

[klinky]

Precision and control... over what?

Audio compression...


Premiere = no mp3 or other worthwhile audio compressor.

Also the best thing to do would be a two pass encode in XviD. The fact that if you did this in Premiere, you'd have to re-render every effect twice to do this = bad idea. So, export in uncompressed or huffYUV from Premiere.


Now if you're speaking of exporting using the Realmedia/Cleaner/MainConcepts plugins, that's a whole 'nother bucket of fish, but those suck compared to TMPEG or VDub + XviD.


~klinky

[Ashton]

Divx 3.11, Divx 5.03, koepi's XviD, and HuffYUV should be enough to take care of your amv needs.

I really like the MJPEG method of editing because my computer = teh POS, so add an MJPEG codec to that list (just for reference.)

[trythil]

Precision and control... over what?

Over what you export to. If you create one master file with either uncompressed video or some lossless codec, you can go all sorts of places from there very easily.

Let's say you want to export to two totally different targets:

(1) Online distribution
(2) NTSC format (for, say, cons)

It's much easier and faster to create a 24fps progressive video file and _then_ do the exports, because they can all be created from 24fps progressive frame footage. (For (2), you'd either have to do nothing or telecine up to 29.97fps and set some sort of pulldown flag, both of which are trivial.)

Doing this via Premiere would require rendering the project twice, and sometimes that just isn't desirable. "always", for example, takes in excess of 4.5 hours to render everything on my Athlon 850. (By "everything" I mean both the main timeline and additional timelines, although the additional ones only have to be rendered once.) I have better things to do than to kill 9 hours of the day with renders.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

Precision and control... over what?

Audio compression...


Premiere = no mp3 or other worthwhile audio compressor.

Also the best thing to do would be a two pass encode in XviD. The fact that if you did this in Premiere, you'd have to re-render every effect twice to do this = bad idea. So, export in uncompressed or huffYUV from Premiere.


Now if you're speaking of exporting using the Realmedia/Cleaner/MainConcepts plugins, that's a whole 'nother bucket of fish, but those suck compared to TMPEG or VDub + XviD.


~klinky

Klinky's right. I spent ages looking for the Mpeg layer-3 Compression in the audio settings, only to discover that <da da DUMMMM> Premiere doesnt have one! I wound up compressing my audio in like iMAPCM or somethin like that. its evil, but produces astoundingly good qual audio.

Then I got Virtual Dub!! Goodliness!!!


Fear the Jalbador!!!

[the Black Monarch]

I could have sworn that I already posted here since Klinky's appearance...

Premiere = no mp3 or other worthwhile audio compressor

True, but ADPCM works very well. It's "worthwhile" enough for me.

For (2), you'd either have to do nothing or telecine up to 29.97fps and set some sort of pulldown flag, both of which are trivial.

I will NEVER Telecine my footage. Telecine is the spawn of Satan.

Doing this via Premiere would require rendering the project twice, and sometimes that just isn't desirable. "always", for example, takes in excess of 4.5 hours to render everything on my Athlon 850. (By "everything" I mean both the main timeline and additional timelines, although the additional ones only have to be rendered once.) I have better things to do than to kill 9 hours of the day with renders

Well my videos take about 10 minutes to render on my machine, so that's kind of a non-issue compared to the gigabytes that Huffies would take up.

[AbsoluteDestiny]

I will NEVER Telecine my footage. Telecine is the spawn of Satan.

Well I guess that means that I'll never see a video of yours at a contest that requires 29.97 NTSC source.

[NicholasDWolfwood]

I could have sworn that I already posted here since Klinky's appearance...

Premiere = no mp3 or other worthwhile audio compressor

True, but ADPCM works very well. It's "worthwhile" enough for me.

For (2), you'd either have to do nothing or telecine up to 29.97fps and set some sort of pulldown flag, both of which are trivial.

I will NEVER Telecine my footage. Telecine is the spawn of Satan.

Doing this via Premiere would require rendering the project twice, and sometimes that just isn't desirable. "always", for example, takes in excess of 4.5 hours to render everything on my Athlon 850. (By "everything" I mean both the main timeline and additional timelines, although the additional ones only have to be rendered once.) I have better things to do than to kill 9 hours of the day with renders

Well my videos take about 10 minutes to render on my machine, so that's kind of a non-issue compared to the gigabytes that Huffies would take up.

First of all, you're a person and I think you're wrong. Telecine will look GOOD if you do it right, not the telecine that's used on DVDs. Second of all, it don't mean jack SHIT how long it takes to render. You could have one effect (IE a Gaussian Blur) that would take hours and hours to render for one 5-10 second clip. Third, ADPCM is shit. It really degrades the quality. I've ran tests, and RA8/LAME beat the fuck out of ADPCM.

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[dwchang]

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I'm not really gonna comment on the technical aspect of this (that is if you're right or whatnot) since it's not important. However, over the last month that I've come back to the forums, I've noticed that you have a tendency to continually flame people regardless of the rest of us telling you to just chill.

I say again...settle down. It is quite possible to post and discuss a topic without coming a cross as an asshole. I might also add that no matter how "right" you are, most people don't generally listen to people who flame others. They won't even read your posts or consider your points (no matter how valid they may be).

Either way, I know it sounds real condescending and I apologize for that, but it's just a suggestion since it might help you out with all the negative views people have of you.

[trythil]

I could have sworn that I already posted here since Klinky's appearance...

Premiere = no mp3 or other worthwhile audio compressor

True, but ADPCM works very well. It's "worthwhile" enough for me.

Go find Tangerine Dream's "Lily on The Beach" CD. Listen to "Twenty-Nine Palms". Download my "Reminiscence and Fantasy" video, and compare the audio.

There is a major difference, much more noticable than with a well-encoded MP3. Most of the difference is with really annoying high-frequency harmonics.

This is what we've been telling you all along, though, so it's pointless to continue down the ADPCM vs. MP3 vs. OggVorbis vs. SomeOtherAudioCodec line.

For (2), you'd either have to do nothing or telecine up to 29.97fps and set some sort of pulldown flag, both of which are trivial.

I will NEVER Telecine my footage. Telecine is the spawn of Satan.

Doing this via Premiere would require rendering the project twice, and sometimes that just isn't desirable. "always", for example, takes in excess of 4.5 hours to render everything on my Athlon 850. (By "everything" I mean both the main timeline and additional timelines, although the additional ones only have to be rendered once.) I have better things to do than to kill 9 hours of the day with renders

Well my videos take about 10 minutes to render on my machine, so that's kind of a non-issue compared to the gigabytes that Huffies would take up.

I dunno. Storing my final projects as a Quicktime file, planar YUV, only takes up about 2.4 -> 3 gigabytes, and you lose practically next to nothing as far as color fidelity goes (especially if you work in YUVA, which I can do ).

First of all, you're a person and I think you're wrong. Telecine will look GOOD if you do it right, not the telecine that's used on DVDs. Second of all, it don't mean jack SHIT how long it takes to render. You could have one effect (IE a Gaussian Blur) that would take hours and hours to render for one 5-10 second clip. Third, ADPCM is shit. It really degrades the quality. I've ran tests, and RA8/LAME beat the fuck out of ADPCM.

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telecine == telecine...

And Gaussian blurs don't take all that long for me to render...only a second -> two seconds per frame, I'd say.

I will NEVER Telecine my footage. Telecine is the spawn of Satan.

This misconception I blame on people not fully reading EADFAG

Telecined footage is not inherently bad. If you want to convert 24fps to 29.97fps, it's the best thing you can do. I didn't just pull that example from thin air -- what do you think occurs when you go from film to television? Digital video to NTSC broadcast?

As AD said, some cons require submissions in NTSC format, and for good reason: They show them on TV.