Looking for a good Flash back filtery thingamabob.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:42 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:Name one example in mainstream media in which an aged film effect is used to portray a flash back.

While not film effects, black and white has been used extensively. Why? Black and white picture on tvs is generally considered an old technology and leaves viewers feeling that the event takes place in the past. Old film carries the same feeling to it so it is only natural that people want to use this effect in their videos.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:51 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:
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Happy Gilmore? THAT is the best example you could come up with? Or was it just the ONLY example you could come up with? I mean, HG was directed by Dennis Dugan, the man directed such classic hits as:

The Love Boat: The Next Wave, Doogie Howser, M.D., Beverly Hills Ninja and Problem Child.

We can give him some props for Ally McBeal and Jumanji, but even those are a bit of a stretch.

Hey, don't go insulting Happy Gilmore, its a fine film.

You wan't something more "artistic"? How about Millenium Actress. That's as classy as they come, and uses a variety of old film looks, everyone of them being a flashback.

Though if you have nothing more to say besides to go off on how my choice happens to be a "poor" choice to disprove your argument, then I have nothing more to say. You asked for mainstream, I answered. Deal.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:00 pm

Corran Productions wrote:
Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:Name one example in mainstream media in which an aged film effect is used to portray a flash back.
While not film effects, black and white has been used extensively. Why? Black and white picture on tvs is generally considered an old technology and leaves viewers feeling that the event takes place in the past. Old film carries the same feeling to it so it is only natural that people want to use this effect in their videos.

What you're refering to is a period specific flashback. Like if you wanted to do a 70s esque flashback you may use like a magenta tint and then desaturate the video a bit. That's more stylistic than practical though.

The practical sense of using black and white is that a lot of people don't dream in color nor imagine things in color either (don't ask me why).

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:11 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:What you're refering to is a period specific flashback. Like if you wanted to do a 70s esque flashback you may use like a magenta tint and then desaturate the video a bit.

Ah, so you understand what I was implying.

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:48 pm

Zarxrax wrote:
Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:
o_O

Happy Gilmore? THAT is the best example you could come up with? Or was it just the ONLY example you could come up with? I mean, HG was directed by Dennis Dugan, the man directed such classic hits as:

The Love Boat: The Next Wave, Doogie Howser, M.D., Beverly Hills Ninja and Problem Child.

We can give him some props for Ally McBeal and Jumanji, but even those are a bit of a stretch.
Hey, don't go insulting Happy Gilmore, its a fine film.

You wan't something more "artistic"? How about Millenium Actress. That's as classy as they come, and uses a variety of old film looks, everyone of them being a flashback.

Though if you have nothing more to say besides to go off on how my choice happens to be a "poor" choice to disprove your argument, then I have nothing more to say. You asked for mainstream, I answered. Deal.

cant you two both just stop this pathetic little argument ?

and anyway, ya can create that old age effect using mixture of noise filter, tv simulator and some effect to make the footage black and white (errr, not sure if premier has a tv simulator effect. i use vegas). just add a bit of creative keyframing and all should be good

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:17 pm

Yep, totally possible to create from scratch. (In fact, I might just do that now, just for the heck of it)

Adding on to what bum said (wow, you actually made a worthwhile post for once, bum!), instead of the tv simulator, you can just keyframe some lines moving around if you want, and photoshop some hairs and scratches in. All pretty simple stuff. Along with the black and white, you would want to give the video a tint of some color. Sepia is overdone, I like more nonstandard colors myself.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 2:46 am

How would Miyazaki do it? There's a nice flashback scene in Porco Rosso (actually, more than one) and the short of it is...he didn't do anything special or different to the flashback scenes. They look just like all the other scenes. What he did instead was build up to and introduce the flashback. I'll describe one of them since the R1 DVD isn't out (won't be out until August).

Gina is watching Marco flying in his airplane. The camera slowly zooms in to her face. There's a quick flash to a blue scene with speed lines. Then back to pause on her face. Then the blue scene again...it's a picture of water speeding past. Camera pans back and an aircraft appears with young Marco and Gina on it. Then the memory scenes. When those are done, the movie just picks up where it left off.

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I used some of these scenes in my Porco Rosso vid and felt that I didn't have the time to do the same buildup. So what I did was switch them to black and white and add a very soft light ray effect to bring out some of the white. Kind of difficult to describe, it's not the same as a "glow" effect; you'd have to see it (the AMV is online).

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Lostboy used another method in his AMV, The Fall. He added a soft white border around the flashback scenes.

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If you really want to see the use of film effects for flashback, go see Tarantino's Kill Bill Vol. 2. Seriously.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 2:54 am

TaranT wrote: If you really want to see the use of film effects for flashback, go see Tarantino's Kill Bill Vol. 2. Seriously.

*golf clap*

It's nice to see someone is a little more cultured that they're able to use a better reference than freakin Happy Gilmore. Tarantino does some very interesting stylistic stuff, much like the anime sequence in Kill Bill. Of course on the flip side he also does a lot of very straight forward stuff, like in Pulp Fiction, the nonlinear timeline of the movie without any real apparent transitions, quite nice.

Nekoboy Sal · Post by **Nekoboy Sal** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:11 pm

Sweat Zombie Jesus! It took me forever to find this again!
My computer died (like always) and that messed with my cookies. It came up with only 3 little orange coloured thinys.
Anyway. I only ever read one post before I lost track of it. I gave up on getting that other software and went into photoshop. Made 5 noise layers, five layers with spots on them, and about 12 layers with a line down a side. I jumped to image ready and alternated noise layers, used the spoted layers (sparingly to reduce blood clots) and then put the random lines down the side of each frame. I hade about 30 frames total. Made it a gif then slaped the gif over the top of my flashback stuffs. I thougth about making it orange or tan, but I wanted to preserve colour.
You can check out the final product in a day or two. Wait. I have to upload it... Maybe a week.
Encode it then stick it on the internet.
Huh, Should I put it in my AMVs yet?
Thats a lot of good infromation you gave me aswell!
Thanks