Matroska problems

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:26 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:[...] for the purpose of including soft coded subtitles in something. That's it, subtitles. I mean, it dosn't do anything else, except utalize the nightmare that is Vorbis/OGG audio. Oh yes, can it can have chapers. *twirls her finger* Wow, Chapters.

Sounds a lot like Ogg Media to me.

But... isn't Ogg Vorbis <i>better </i>than MP3 and WMA?

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:28 pm

Scintilla wrote:Sounds a lot like Ogg Media to me.

But... isn't Ogg Vorbis <i>better </i>than MP3 and WMA?

Matroska is being built up from Ogg Vorbis media actually, only with 'improvements'. Basicly, it's designed to suck less with subtitle fonts and that's about it.
I personally can't stand Matroska as it uses about 3 different programs at once.

ChristianHJW · Post by **ChristianHJW** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:04 am

DJ_Izumi wrote:Matroska is being built up from Ogg Vorbis media actually, only with 'improvements'. Basicly, it's designed to suck less with subtitle fonts and that's about it.

Man, do the world a favour and just shut up. You have no clue what you are talking about at all, and i mean NO clue.

matroska was designed from scratch, using a new underlying framework called EBML, which is a binary version of XML. matroska supports 16 different frametypes including framer referencing, is timetamp based with a precision of up to 1 nanosecond, can hold any number of video, audio and subtitles tracks, has perfect seeking thanks to a very powerful seektable, and is extremely easy to edit, even if the content ( = video, audio and subtitles ) streams are completely unknown to the editing application.

It has no resemblance at all to any existing container, be it MOV ( = MP4 ), AVI, OGG, MPEG or ASF ( = WMV ). If you dont understand what a container is, and this is obviously the case, just keep your mouth shut, ok ?

mckeed · Post by **mckeed** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:29 am

Well, the point is i really didn't want to have to use another player to play mkv files since i am not really interested in the entire file, just the raw video contained in it. Is there a way to just extract the video from it without having to install the entire matrovska pack. I had to roll back my system after installing it as it really screwed some stuff up to the point windows media player refused to run without crashing as a result.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:43 am

Virtualdubmod should be able to save the video into an avi container.

And theres really nothing on the matroska pack that should screw up your system... lots of people use it and have no problems whatsoever. I'm guessing you might have something else weird installed on your system that was causing conflicts.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:50 am

mkvextract works also.

Similar post.

mckeed · Post by **mckeed** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:57 am

It was more of a thing when i uninstalled things went funky. I tried to remove it to try to reinstall again and something went wrong in that process. No errors came up on install, just couldn't open media player after that. Reboot, same problem. I just rolled back my system as i didn't want to have to deal with that.

Another side comment. If you want the container to be the most accepted standard, you better well make it flawless with something like windows media player which is on most systems and which new people, who don't know jack about containers, use most often. Saying "use another player" kinda says we gave up trying to get this to work. A universal standard is exactly that, universal. If it works better in some players than others than you really didn't accomplish you goal.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:12 am

ChristianHJW wrote: Man, do the world a favour and just shut up. You have no clue what you are talking about at all, and i mean NO clue.

You are my hero.

I suggest that everyone who says that Matroska sucks needs to read about it.

http://www.matroska.org

DJ_Izumi wrote: I personally can't stand Matroska as it uses about 3 different programs at once.

Why is that a problem?

mckeed wrote: you better well make it flawless with something like windows media player which is on most systems and which new people, who don't know jack about containers, use most often.

Matroska is development software and is labeled as such. If you use it, be prepared to deal with some quirks. I'm rather confident that the bugs can be worked out quickly.

I've personally never had a problem with the Matroska DirectShow filter, but that's just me. Well, I've said that aspect ratio correction doesn't work with the DirectShow filter, but I retract that claim here, since I tested out the Matroskaized version of my DDR3 track (available here, omgwtf i'm a shameless plugger!) in WMP, and it looked fine.

ChristianHJW · Post by **ChristianHJW** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:33 am

mckeed wrote:It was more of a thing when i uninstalled things went funky. I tried to remove it to try to reinstall again and something went wrong in that process. No errors came up on install, just couldn't open media player after that. Reboot, same problem. I just rolled back my system as i didn't want to have to deal with that.

The matroska packs consists ONLY of DirectShow filters, and these are regged and unregged using standard M$ procedures, means regsvr32 and regsvr32 /u . I have no idea how this could screw your system such that WMP wouldnt open anymore. Send regards to Uncle Bill for that ....

Another side comment. If you want the container to be the most accepted standard, you better well make it flawless with something like windows media player which is on most systems and which new people, who don't know jack about containers, use most often. Saying "use another player" kinda says we gave up trying to get this to work. A universal standard is exactly that, universal. If it works better in some players than others than you really didn't accomplish you goal.

We cant reinvent DirectShow and Mediaplayer. And some things matroska can do are simply not fully covered by DShow and WMP, its as simple as that. We try to be compatible with WMP best we can, but if supporting a specific task in WMP would require a huge hack, we decide against it. This happened with chapters, as the standard DShow chapter interface simply sucks, so we built our own API on top of DShow, and all players adapting this API can use chapters from the matroskasplitter. Subtitle switching works fine, same goes for audio track switching ( thanks to a new morgan stream switcher with matroska support, its part of the installer pack ). Of course, when i am talking about WMP, i only talk WMP 6.4, because as you all know the stream switching was removed from WMP when it went from 6.4 to 7, to make other formats than ASF/WMV look worse

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DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:20 am

ChristianHJW wrote:M$