Framerate question....

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:58 pm

OK, I've read through the guides several times and any relevant posts I could find, but I'm still in a bit of a quandry about what the best route to take as far as the framerate for doing videos in. I understand the reasons for working in 24(23.976), and I imagine that for videos just intended to be viewed on a computer that would definitely be the way to go.

But... most video we make (or at least that I make) are intended to at some time be shown on a television screen, either because a widescreen HDTV is easier on the eyes to watch AMVs on or at competition. Is a video edited in 24fps (converted to 23.976) and then telecined up to 29.97 going to look that much better than if it were edited at 29.97 from the get-go?

What worried me more, though, is how effects, especially some of the more complicated ones, will look when telecined. If video really looks that much better when edited after removing the telecining, would it make sense to do the main editing (scenes and basic fades, etc) in 24 (sorry, tired of typing out 23.976), telecining to 30, and then applying more involved effects? I'm primarily thinking of things like pans and 3D stuff of the likes- I would guess that when played back on a viewing medium (TV, projector) formatted for NTSC-based standards, the pans and such would look smoother when done natively in 30 instead of 24 and TC'd up.

I can see some holes in this myself- like if you're going to be burning to a DVD and you know it will be played back on a decent Progressive Scan player on a HDTV, but....

Please tell me if my thoughts on this are off (and why, of course

). I just want to make the best looking videos I...

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Thu Nov 14, 2002 3:16 pm

If you're burning DVD you might as well go with 23.976 reguardless, it's a standard framerate for DVD and the player will do an auto-telecine on playback.

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:04 am

Unfortunately, I don't have a DVD burner (nor do most people), so (no offense, REd0), that really doesn't answer the question..

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:32 pm

sorry, you said sumthin about burning dvds..

ErMaC · Post by **ErMaC** » Sat Nov 16, 2002 12:24 am

Yes the things will look "smoother", btu that's not always a good thing. For instance, if you've ever seen Sol Bianca, which was done digitally with 60fps pans, the pans JAR you when you first see em because they're crazy smooth and stuff.

Personally, I think if the effects are in time with the rest of the video stream instead of moving at a different rate, it'll look more natural. For instance, the "flashing frame" effect I use in both Soul of an Angel and Lord's Prayer looks better in the latter, I think, because in Lord's Prayer I worked all progressive.

Also, by keeping everything at 1 progressive framerate, online encodes become much easier. Because of the precise timing I'm stuck leaving Soul of an Angel in 29.97fps for online enocdes, and just deinterlacing it, which sucks for filesize and smoothness. Lord's Prayer I can leave in 23.976fps and everything syncs up because that's what the original was in.

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:14 pm

REd0: That's alright- I did mention DVD burning, because it was a case where I figured doing it in all progressive (like you mentioned) would be counter to what I was saying.

ErMaC: Thanks- that makes a good amount of sense. I just wanted to be sure before I got started on my next project (finally fully using the guides) that I was not going to be regretting doing it in full progressive.