This Week:
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Bonus:
Kio had a personal emergency pop up monday so I ran review for him. I think he had a conflict with his dick chopping off surgery or something. The lazy bastard also hasn't posted reviews for the last few weeks. Fucking women can't get anything right. So here's the log of this week and the previous couple weeks reviews will be below that.
#amv-review wrote:[20:02] <godix> ok, looks like it's time to start. So, anyone wanna start?
[20:03] <godix> *poke* *poke* anyone here?
[20:03] <Serv0> finishing up the op actually
[20:04] <Niotex> There isnt much to say on that video
[20:04] <Niotex> The concept is interesting but the actuall video lacks
[20:04] <Niotex> this go's for both live action as tutu sections
[20:05] <godix> The jittering got on my nerves pretty quickly.
[20:05] <Serv0> It is lacking yeah
[20:05] <godix> I do like that it tried a different style but in the end it was largelt just pictures of peoples faces and that's not entertaining.
[20:06] <Serv0> what I don't like is the fact that megamom introduced an interesting concept in the beginning with the silent film, but he completely throws it out the window at the first minute or so
[20:06] <Serv0> he didn't exactly run with it
[20:06] <godix> Yeah, that did seem rather unrelated to the rest of the video.
[20:06] <Niotex> I honestly feel like the lack of technical knowhow along with the limitations of software used killed this video for me. Not to mention if your going to focus a video like this get your typography right..
[20:06] <Serv0> it just felt like, "hey heres some live-action here. And done. Now to the anime."
[20:07] <Niotex> I agree
[20:07] <godix> Yeah. It looked like they were trying to do a boy enter anime land type thing but didn't pull it off well.
[20:08] <godix> And I don't know what it is but I fucking hate that into studio credit.
[20:08] <Niotex> I mean just like you said if your going with something go with it. Don't quit halfway or what I asume happend here "I have a neat concept which I'm going to do but ones I'm more or less done I'll smack extra stuff on there so it becomes a full feature video"
[20:08] <Serv0> I was really confused as to what mood he was getting at too. For example he starts off with a silent film look, but then all of a suddenly enters into a funky hip mood at 0:20
[20:09] <godix> I think a large part of this video seems to be there just because. Why does it fucking jitter all over the place? Just because. Why is some of it emulating old film and other parts not? Just cause.
[20:09] <Niotex> well it worked
[20:10] <Niotex> I mean it got old REALLY quick
[20:10] <Serv0> i think it is really just cause. It really comes down to "What is this suppose to be about?"
[20:10] <Niotex> pun intended =|
[20:10] <G_Q> Question would be... how many have actually seen Princess Tutu?
[20:10] <godix> Serv0: As near as I can tell it's about a guy falling asleep and dreaming of entering anime world. That'd be about it I think
[20:10] <Niotex> I honestly havent
[20:11] <Niotex> I've been meaning to at some point but yeah
[20:11] <Serv0> G_Q: i haven't. But to me, seeing the anime probably wouldn't have helped me understand.
[20:11] <godix> I don't think series knowledge would help with this really.
[20:11] <G_Q> Helps a little, actually.
[20:11] <Niotex> video's should work stand alone though
[20:12] <Serv0> okay what is it about? Maybe I'm am missing something here.
[20:12] <Niotex> if anything watching source used should only be usefull for decripting the visuals rather then whats happening in the video storywizw
[20:12] <G_Q> The overall theme is Megamon's obsession with the character Rue
[20:12] <godix> I think there's nothing wrong with making a video that requires having seen the series to really get. As long as the creator knew that was what they were making ahead of time.
[20:12] <G_Q> Rue is the daughter of the Raven King in the story.
[20:13] <G_Q> The white-haired dancer is her first "boyfriend" -- hence, the "Before" part.
[20:13] <godix> megamom is male? WTF?
[20:14] <Niotex> yeah dont ask.. I thought it was a "mom" aswell =/
[20:14] <Serv0> godix, i agree. Although I may add that creating a vid with the question of "does already seeing the show matter to the audience?"
[20:15] <G_Q> The answer is, it can enhance the experience, but it's not entirely necessary.
[20:15] <Serv0> hmmm...I could've mistaken megamom as female by watching the vid...
[20:15] <yoko> i think the only way to enjoy an amv anymore is to not see the source.
[20:15] <Serv0> but anyways..
[20:15] * yoko|logan is now known as yoko|grapesoda
[20:16] <Serv0> yoko, maybe you're just bullshitting. But in case you aren't, how so?
[20:16] <yoko> well not everything gets so predictable
[20:17] <G_Q> I like his substitute. It works well in the video.
[20:17] <Serv0> Hmmm...maybe that's how you view it. For me, I actually do enjoy watching some videos where I have seen the source
[20:17] <Serv0> but i can see where you're getting at
[20:18] <yoko> thanx, but I'm not saying that it is the only way for me to. But then again like an ad, megamom would've sold me the idea that I would have to see this anime
[20:18] <yoko> then i watch it, then watch her video again and then say myself "I see what you did thar"
[20:18] <G_Q> *cough*his
[20:18] <Serv0> grapesoda? Holy shit I just grabbed myself a can of grapesoda just now...
[20:19] <yoko> G_Q: I'm drunk on grape drank
[20:19] * G_Q is chugging down a Sam Adams Summer Ale
[20:19] <Serv0> did yoko just call megamom a "her"?
[20:19] <godix> Ok, so it appears we're agreed this didn't quite work. What would have helped?
[20:20] <yoko> Serv0: I don't even know half the genders of everyone excuse me I don't stalk :o.
[20:21] <Serv0> Well for one, involving the live-action in more would've made the vid more interesting and defined.
[20:21] <yoko> everyone rather has a Avatar with haruhi/konata and shit, how wouldn't I not guess.
[20:21] <Serv0> I wasn't really convinced that the vid was about Megamom himself, rather than it was about a bunch of loli's prancing about in ballat
[20:22] <Serv0> I think involving his character and his ambitions more would've made me understand a little bit more
[20:22] <godix> Now that I look at it again, I think the problem isn't a lack of LA but that he doesn't tie in the LA and anime until over a minute into the video. By then it's already come off as 'no reason for LA' so fails. The scene at 1:12 should have been within the first 20 seconds of the video
[20:23] <Serv0> Hmmm...yeah. Also did anyone here zone out during the last half?
[20:23] <Serv0> because I swear, the last half is just white noise
[20:24] <godix> large chunks of this appear just random. Even if you take 'guy in anime world' he doesn't do anything in the anime world
[20:24] <Serv0> Maybe I'm wrong on this. Megamom would be the one to confirm this, but I'm assuming he ran out of ideas after 1:20 or so.
[20:25] <Serv0> Perhaps, planning would've made things a little better.
[20:26] * yoko|grapesoda is now known as yoko|logan
[20:27] <godix> So am I the only one who even caught what he was trying to do?
[20:27] <quadir> not talking because vlc is totally mangling this video for me, yellow bars all over the place in the latest version, but Wow. What I can see of this video. Wow.
[20:28] <godix> Is that a good wow or a bad wow?
[20:28] <Serv0> well I could sense that it was Megamom goes into anime world. It's just that nothing happens...
[20:28] <G_Q> It's a fanboy obsession / character profile.
[20:28] <G_Q> That's about all it was made to be.
[20:29] <godix> Despite totally different style and music I can't help but be reminded of the old Take On Me video.
[20:29] <Serv0> yeah. Even that video has its ups and downs.
[20:30] <Serv0> as much as I hate to say it, but some of the technical is hurting the vid too...
[20:31] <Serv0> for example, the masking of himself at 1:12 is really terrible
[20:31] <quadir> I think that a roomfull of people at Anime Boston saw Hold Me Now, the dealer's room sold out of Princess Tutu, and now we have the fallout as they watch the actual series. And one of those people, one of those people is still holding on to that dream, still seeing a vision of what could be, and realized it here in this video. So that more people can fall into the trap.
[20:31] <godix> I don't want to return to a bitch about stock effects, but so much of the video was stock. Standard jitter and dust&scratches. Some B&W. Really bad emulation of old movie title cards.
[20:32] <Serv0> quadir, are you high right now?
[20:32] <godix> About the only effect thing he did that I actually like was the B&W face with the eyes retaining their color. But he only did it once or twice and never played with that effect
[20:32] <godix> servo: He's having trouble watching the video so isn't seeing the same thing we are.
[20:32] <Serv0> oh okay. So same effect then.
[20:32] <godix> Which in a way is interesting, he's getting the theme without worrying about the tech at all
[20:33] <quadir> very true, I have yellow/blew "3D" bars through my video
[20:33] <godix> did anyone else notice that the LA footage is fucking interlaced?
[20:33] <quadir> looks like a ribbon cable for an ATA connector
[20:34] <Serv0> well in any case. Yeah some of the effects were used to good reason despite being presets. But unfortunately, there are some effects that are there just for the sake of being there.
[20:34] <quadir> I could of done without the white square transitions, but otherwise I loved it.
[20:34] <godix> I think in the end he was trying too many different things and not sticking with any of them. Parts of LA but not enough to work. Parts play with colors but not enough to work. Part is old film and entire too much to work. etc
[20:35] <godix> and part is whatever the name of the style his studio bumper and the white squares is
[20:35] <Serv0> i agree. It just seems like this video itself is confused as to what it's trying to be.
[20:35] <quadir> I guess you can see the interlacing of the LA footage on the 'spinning transition'
[20:36] <quadir> it's not nearly a perfect transition, his colour switching should of been a bit more sudden
[20:36] <quadir> but I see the intent
[20:36] <quadir> and it's A for Effort right guys? right?
[20:37] <godix> That's what I see with this video. The intent and not the execution.
[20:37] <quadir> also I just think the song is ballzy to put to anything but cowboy bebop
[20:37] <quadir> that backbeat and guitar just scream for something more cowboy
[20:37] <godix> I know all about videos where the creator hopes the idea carries the video cause the editing sure in hell won't. That's my type of editing. And in this one I don't think the idea carried the video.
[20:38] <quadir> even if the lyrics would make you settle on something like outlaw star
[20:38] <Serv0> yeah. The idea didn't evolve enough in this one.
[20:38] <godix> Yeah, i gotta agree. This song does not scream 'princess tutu' to moe.
[20:38] <Serv0> I think straight on planning and thinking would've helped to start with.
[20:38] <godix> wow, that o move like 3 spaces over and in middle of another word. I'm getting more creative with my mistypes.
[20:38] <quadir> I still like it more for not making me scream 'WRONG WRONG WRONG' though, so he's succeeded in accepting the match
[20:38] <quadir> even if I wouldn't associate it
[20:39] <godix> Well I think we've wound down on the main video. Final thoughts?
[20:39] <quadir> and I dunno if you guys got the memo, but putting RL footage of yourself in your AMV is IN right now
[20:39] <Serv0> i haven't seen tutu. But the music and anime choice convinced me where it did work. But then again, you have the silent film stuff that's just confusing me as to what the vid is about.
[20:40] <quadir> Jihaku started it with the band footage, and it's just balloned from there
[20:40] <quadir> with crackthesky, servo, koop all notably doing so
[20:40] <quadir> gotta jump on the bandwagon!
[20:40] <quadir> and this was decently done too
[20:40] <godix> This is one of those videos where I hope the creator learned something from his experiments and can make an interesting video in the future cause this sure wasn't it. He has potential and at least isn't just mindlessly following the current amv trends.
[20:41] <godix> well, the self insertion trend I guess.
[20:41] <Serv0> The vid has potential. And so does the editor. To tell you in honest, truth I am curious as to what he comes up with next from the skills he learned here. Despite me not liking the vid much.
[20:42] <Serv0> self-insertion has been around for a long time. But majority of it involves naughty things though...
[20:42] <quadir> if I made a video and I had a good idea, I hope my lack of eidting would look this good. If I didn't have a breadth of experience in storyboarding an planning my Uber Cool Idea out, I hope it would come accross this fluidly. So yeah, like servo says, lots of potential. I love it. I'd love it more realized though. Like unicorn rides.
[20:43] <godix> Yup. Most videos we review I silently hope the creator gets discouraged by our comments and quits fucking editing this shit. This time I actually hope the guy learns and improves.
[20:43] * godix changes topic to 'Bonus: http://www.a-m-v.org/videos/21802'
[20:43] <Serv0> speaking of self-insertion, here's a wise quote: "Posting a vid of you wanking does not make you a porn star."
[20:43] <Serv0> just a random thought
[20:44] * godix changes topic to 'whoops, screwed the url - Bonus: http://www.a-m-v.org/video/21802'
[20:45] <quadir> did we already feature chihuahua? whatever, it's a great vid!
[20:46] <quadir> actually I think I featured this is a wonderful life
[20:46] <quadir> also a great video in the same vein
[20:46] <godix> Did we? I don't keep track. I just grabbed something that I liked on my HD.
[20:46] <godix> I love this video though. Upbeat, fun, and doesn't require deep thought to enjoy it.
[20:46] <Serv0> yeah I think we did back in November of last year
[20:47] <Serv0> scary how I remember that
[20:48] <godix> And here I can barely remember what was done last week.
[20:48] <Serv0> i don't have photographic memory. But close though,
[20:48] <Serv0> i can remember stuff back when I was 3 actually
[20:49] <godix> show us on this doll where the priest touched you when you were 3.
[20:49] <Serv0> I'll let AMV Hell 4 do that instead.
[20:50] <Serv0> as for the bonus, I remember back when Steamboy was the fad for AMVs
[20:50] <Serv0> a lot like Azumanga Daioh was a year and half ago
[20:50] <godix> Has anyone ever noticed that the creative people who can come up with a not beaten to death idea for a video are rarely the same people who can follow through and do a great job on a video?
[20:51] <Serv0> are you basically saying, people with the simple ideas are usually the ones who do a great job?
[20:51] <Serv0> because I can agree to that
[20:52] <yoko> If dysfunction is a function
[20:52] <yoko> Then I must be some kind of
[20:52] <godix> I'm saying the artistic drive to come up with a new idea does not appear to be the same artistic drive that allows someone to dwell on the same idea for months on end to perfect it.
[20:52] <yoko> Ge--ni--us
[20:52] <yoko> -pitchshifter
[20:52] <godix> Although I supposed 'uncreative bastards have to be good at something so they get good at effects' might be a more godix way of phrasing that.
[20:53] <Serv0> oh okay I see what you mean. Yeah I have noticed that actually. Spoil is actually an example of that.
[20:53] <Serv0> The creators would rather spend time perfecting an overdone concept with Spoil.
[20:53] <godix> I've noticed this before, tonights vid just reminded me of it. I see playing with various ideas without taking the effort to polish up an idea before moving on
[20:54] <Serv0> I have to agree. It's rather sad to see time and effort go into overdone things.
[20:54] * Kit|hunga is now known as Kit|rendering
[20:55] <Serv0> One day, Integrating live-action into AMVs might become overdone
[20:55] <godix> yeah. There's a point where you kinda wanna go 'Koop did skittles already. You aren't going to do better than him. Stop it. Hell, you aren't even going to do a chii attack of the otaku level. Find something else.'
[20:56] <Serv0> I see that with A LOT of MEPs actually
Last weeks review
Main:
Bonus:
#amv-review wrote:[19:47] * Kionon changes topic to '#amv-review | REVIEW: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/video/157798 BONUS: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... .php?v=343 | OP at 2030, REVIEW at 2100'
[19:56] * G_Q gets.
[19:56] <G_Q> Sorry I'm a bit late. :(
[19:57] <G_Q> Post-con work, etc.
[19:57] <Kionon> Naw, its cool.
[19:57] <Kionon> We're not being serious today. I've had too much work, and have too much work to give it a serious effort.
[19:58] <Kionon> Next week will be more serious.
[20:00] <Kionon> Allright.
[20:00] <Kionon> The choice of aspect ratio bothers me, and I don't mean technically.
[20:00] <Serv0> I'm assuming Fate Stay Night is not in Scope.
[20:01] <Serv0> the AR was the first thing I noticed
[20:01] <Kionon> The source is 16:9, so why crop to Cinemasscope?
[20:01] <Kionon> No, it isn't.
[20:01] <Kionon> It's flat.
[20:02] <Serv0> either 1) he was intentionally making it look cinematic. or 2)He accidently stretched it in the final render or something.
[20:02] <Serv0> I'm assuming 2.
[20:02] <Kionon> Which means these are fansubs.
[20:02] <Kionon> Or perhaps raws with japanese text scrolling at the bottom.
[20:04] <Serv0> btw, did any of you guys have to repair the avi when you launched it in VLC. Because I had to do that.
[20:04] <Kionon> It didn't look stretched to me.
[20:04] <Kionon> And yes, I did
[20:05] <Kionon> No, it's cropped. Change it to 16:9, and it looks wrong.
[20:05] <Kionon> So the AR is correct, it just meant that he cropped.
[20:07] <Serv0> well at least we know the editor knows that his current videos are mediocre reading from his description: "So far, I've only made a few... my first one is bad, and my second one is even worse, at least in my opinion."
[20:07] <Serv0> i guess i can go ahead and op seeing that he is asking for some advice to become better
[20:07] <Kionon> He asked for -review.
[20:07] <Kionon> So I said why not?
[20:08] <Kionon> I can see how the song could fit the video source, but I don't think I agree with his flow at all.
[20:08] <Kionon> This pretty much is going to be required to be a standard action video.
[20:09] <Kionon> Unless he were to provide Japanese subtitles.
[20:09] <Kionon> There is anough of a flow to have sufficient sync, but I don't feel he pulled it off.
[20:09] <Serv0> odd...because I thought the song didn't fit the visuals at all. I don't speak Japanese, but to me the sound of the song didn't feel right.
[20:10] <Kionon> English subtitles, rather.
[20:10] <Kionon> Eh, I can't catch very much, it's too fast for me.
[20:10] <Kionon> But I don't feel the same. I just feel the editing doesn't follow the song's pacing.
[20:10] <Kionon> It's, in general, too slow.
[20:11] <Kionon> The editing isn't following the musical flow, meaning some scenes are too fast, others are two slow. He has some specific beat syncs.
[20:11] <Kionon> Explosions and whatnot.
[20:12] <Kionon> For the most part though, things simply don't happen on the beat.
[20:13] <Serv0> i'm gonna need 5min to complete this op...
[20:13] <Kionon> np
[20:13] <G_Q> Same here.
[20:14] <Kionon> 2:25-3:39 is the major offender
[20:14] <Kionon> I wanted shit to match there.
[20:14] <Kionon> But it just didn't.
[20:17] * BelaysterKit is now known as Kit
[20:18] <Kit> oh yeah
[20:18] <Kit> it's monday
[20:24] <Kionon> In general, this just isn't cohesive.
[20:25] <Kionon> I'd say he needs to go back and mark beats.
[20:25] <Serv0> Okay done oping
[20:25] <Kionon> It isn't awful, it just doesn't do anything really.
[20:26] <Serv0> To me I don't think he even needs to go back and mark beat synchronization. I think he needs to go back to the drawing board and think about the idea of the vid as a whole.
[20:26] <Kionon> Eh, there's no concept here.
[20:26] <Serv0> Because this vid feels very undefined to me.
[20:27] <Kionon> I don't know that that's a problem. I like the song, if the fighting matched, it'd be pretty to watch. It wouldn't have much impact if any, but I'd enjoy it momentarily.
[20:27] <Serv0> What I've noticed with most "fallen" AMVs is the fact that the editors didn't think about the basic idea in the first place. They just went and put shit together.
[20:27] <Orwell> No concept as far as I could tell, it appears to be just putting music and FSN together in a haphazard way with the occasional notice of beats but otherwise wholly ignoring them in favor of watching saber kick ass. And the music sucks.
[20:27] * G_Q agrees.
[20:27] <Orwell> I mean reallllly sucks.
[20:28] <G_Q> Especially after seeing Millenium Strife's Fate/Stay Night vids at the con.
[20:28] <Orwell> THE con?
[20:28] <G_Q> Which are a bit better built.
[20:28] <G_Q> Tekkoshocon.
[20:28] <Serv0> The music is okay to me. I sometimes listen to UverWorld once and a while. But even so, a vid that uses a song that I really really like does little to make me like the vid.
[20:28] <G_Q> I had gotten back today.
[20:29] <G_Q> Both of Millenium Strife's were in the con.
[20:29] <Serv0> * Correction: A vid that uses a song that I really really like does little if the idea sucks in the vid.
[20:29] <Serv0> AMVs are dependant on the right balances of everything
[20:30] <Orwell> The main suggestion I can give the author is to make the visuals flow with the music. If something happens in the audio, something should happen on screen. In this case perhaps watching some of Caldwell's stuff might be elicited here just to get a sense of what one might do for internal sync which might have flown well with the music.
[20:30] <Kionon> I don't have much to say about it other than it's just boring. Whatever the reason. For me, synch would change that. Although concept and sync would make it good.
[20:30] <Serv0> I agree Kionon that it is boring. To me, the reason why its boring is because the first step (the idea) didn't work.
[20:30] <Serv0> I've seen many vids like this before.
[20:31] <Kionon> Oh, so have I. But if the sync is there, I'm at least entertained.
[20:31] <Orwell> True, not much to critique, part of the reason I submitted it was to hopefully drum up basic suggestions on what he should do to make it work. Obviously a concept that flows will help here, but the most basics of beat sync should be observed.
[20:31] <G_Q> O
[20:31] <Kionon> I wasn't entertained.
[20:32] <Kionon> Well, it was the double of your submission and him self-submitting.
[20:32] <G_Q> Yeah, it drags on quite a bit, and has an odd AR with cut-off titling and an ending that goes past the music without a fade.
[20:32] <Kionon> One of Lantis's videos was in consideration as well.
[20:32] <Kionon> Yeah, the ending is jarring.
[20:32] <Kionon> I also don't like his opening sequence. Not really part of the video, but it doesn't put me in a good mood.
[20:33] <Serv0> Okay...I could care less about making this thing more synchronized. In fact, if this video had perfect synchronization, I would still hate it, just because the idea and originality isn't interesting.
[20:34] <Kionon> Eh, it wouldn't be a keeper or anything, but I wouldn'tactively dislike it.
[20:34] <Orwell> except for the music part.
[20:34] <Kionon> I'd be like, hey that was kind of fun the first time. Review is absurdly low. I think the idea/concept is where it would become something rewatchable.
[20:35] <Orwell> I am what I'm after, I don't need another [amv]
[20:35] <Serv0> orwell, you just like to milk it don't you
[20:35] <Orwell> I do.
[20:35] <Kionon> I like audio.
[20:35] <Kionon> I have never seen FSN
[20:36] * Orwell debates the value of spazzing over FSN
[20:36] * Kit is now known as Kit|editing
[20:36] <Serv0> in any case, I've literally stopped on projects that I've spent 6 hours on, just for the sure fact that the idea of the vid I was working on wasn't selling.
[20:36] <Kionon> Wait until I finish shuffle.
[20:36] <Serv0> I knew my synch was right
[20:36] <Serv0> I knew the song was good
[20:36] <Serv0> And I knew the anime was great
[20:37] <Kionon> And your concept sucked ass.
[20:37] <Serv0> but taking a moment to think about the my concept, forced me to stop, because yea, the concept sucked ass.
[20:37] * Orwell is now known as Orwell|bandwagon
[20:38] <Serv0> it's like that for anything. You shape an idea and concept, then you worry about the rest of the details.
[20:38] <Kionon> Okay, I'll say that if he's looking for real advice here, yours is pretty good. For his third project, he needs to make concept the priority.
[20:38] <Kionon> That's why I storyboard.
[20:38] <Kionon> If something won't work, I'll usually find out before I even start putting stuff into the timeline.
[20:40] * Orwell|bandwagon is now known as Orwell|GGG
[20:40] <Kionon> GAOGAIGAR?
[20:40] <Orwell> Gay Greek General.
[20:41] <Serv0> It seems this vid tackles action montage. What do you guys think of that makes a good action vid?
[20:41] <Kionon> GREAT GRANDMOTHERING GODZILLAS
[20:41] <Orwell> When they slay the democrats.
[20:41] <Serv0> To me, I would use Crackerz' Subsonic vid.
[20:41] <Serv0> Despite the fact that I'm not an Animatrix fan
[20:41] <Kionon> Action rarely means anything more than a "that was fun."
[20:42] <Serv0> So does Comedy and Dance...
[20:42] <Kionon> It's the romance videos and dance videos I watch repeatedly.
[20:42] <Orwell> good action... hmm. I can't really think of one that was just 'action'
[20:42] <Orwell> usually it's more story and some action
[20:42] <Orwell> Oto's Court of the Crimson King comes to mind as relatively good action.
[20:42] <Serv0> http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=151612
[20:43] <Serv0> Anyways, Subsonic has a very cool mood to it.
[20:43] <Serv0> I should say the mood is very fluid, as well as the pacing.
[20:43] <Serv0> This to me is some of the qualities of a good action vid
[20:43] <Orwell> Getting what will soon be mine.
[20:43] <Serv0> It has highs and lows
[20:44] <Serv0> It doesn't feel like one long climax
[20:44] <Orwell> But aren't amv's all about the wanking?
[20:44] <Orwell> it SHOULD be one long climax.
[20:44] <Orwell> To get what I need now.
[20:44] <Serv0> Orwell, you can find that in #AMV and the forums
[20:45] <Serv0> so it doesn't suprise me when the wankers take it to their vids too
[20:45] <Kionon> Only if the characters are loli.
[20:46] <Orwell> and look like Coop, of course.
[20:46] <Kionon> Of course.
[20:46] <Kionon> With swords and ak-47s in seifuku
[20:46] <Kionon> with glasses
[20:46] <Kionon> that are tsundere and moe at the same time
[20:46] <Orwell> and a commie hat?
[20:47] <Orwell> oh, hey, this reminds me of giant jack
[20:47] <Orwell> http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=116516
[20:47] <Orwell> I liked this as an action video.
[20:48] <Kionon> We're getting meta, are we done with the review vid?
[20:48] <Orwell> Crackerz video is ok, but I don't care for either the source or music so it's hard to appreciate it beyond technical details
[20:48] <Orwell> Kionon: You could say we're reviewing what he can do to improve
[20:48] <Serv0> So I go to the bathroom for a moment, and I see you guys have tottally derailed us.
[20:48] <Serv0> Bravo.
[20:48] <Orwell> providing examples and what works.
[20:49] <Kionon> Hey go for it.
[20:51] <Orwell> I'd say about the first 40 seconds it felt like he was stumbling around, if not quite as bad as the review video, but once you get past that it starts picking up, and the elevator scene right at 1:30 or so is probably one of my favorite scenes of internal sync in all amvs.
[20:52] <Orwell> The author doesn't give much attention to the lyrics, probably a good choice in this case.
[20:53] <Serv0> Orwell, for the example you used, I like the look the vid uses (despite it's abuse of effects.) That's another thing I think Nifear was missing in today's vid, is a unique look.
[20:54] <Serv0> Not everything can be a Sin City, but it can learn from it's visual presentation.
[20:55] <Orwell> Indeed, it's a aspect I find that is rarely noted, but making a distinction about your style can really go far in helping to make the video likable.
[20:55] <Orwell> To rave just a bit more about the awsmest video of the decade, if you didn't do your own acting for Mine, I think it would have been so much more just another DN video, if well crafted.
[20:56] <Orwell> it really sets it apart from most of what's on the org.
[20:56] <Orwell> Some others have played with the idea, Koop comes to mind with his latest, and crackerz as well, but none integrate it so well that it flows with the video.
[20:57] <Serv0> True. As I said before, AMVs are about the right balance of everything.
[20:59] <Serv0> So...
[20:59] <Serv0> is it bonus time perhaps?
[20:59] <Kionon> Okay, Bonus time.
[20:59] <godix> oh. right. monday. Video any good?
[20:59] <Orwell> probably, I'm out of stuff to say, doing philosophy homework.
[21:00] <Kionon> No, not realy.
[21:00] <Orwell> Nah, godix you already commented on it. You could op, but let's stick to reality.
[21:00] <Serv0> godix, hmmm...would like to see you rant on it though
[21:00] <Serv0> no concept
[21:00] <Orwell> it was that guy who popped in this morning.
[21:00] <godix> This thing? Didn't I totally trash it last night?
[21:00] <Serv0> bad pacing
[21:00] <Orwell> I think you trashed being a mac fag with no balls.
[21:01] * Orwell|GGG is now known as Orwell
[21:01] <godix> Well, that too. After I told him he had no sense of pacing at all and sync, ANY sync, would be kinda nice.
[21:02] <Orwell> you did? I only barely noticed any comments that way, then again, I had a nation to expand.
[21:02] <godix> Oh, the bonus is a kio vid? Boy, you're just diehard about sucking this week aren't you?
[21:03] <Kionon> Very little of it is mine.
[21:03] <Kionon> It's mostly Kumo's.
[21:03] <Orwell> Gundam, AND SR-71? ouch.
[21:03] <Kionon> Besides, a sucky week will make us appreciate a not sucky week that much more.
[21:03] <Kionon> Oh, it gets better.
[21:04] <Kionon> And by better, I mean worse.
[21:04] <Serv0> weird. I actually remember this vid.
[21:04] <Orwell> well, we already know you were involved in some way.
[21:06] <Serv0> although, in terms of the old AMVs involving Gundam Wing, this one use to be a favorite of mine
[21:06] <Serv0> http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=36836
[21:08] <Kionon> I still thought the video had rather clear concept and coherency, even if it faltered because Gundam Wing... not much to work with there.
[21:08] <Serv0> Kionon, 3:15 on the bonus. I'm sorry but that long pause just makes me laugh.
[21:09] <Kionon> It makes me laugh now too.
[21:09] <Kionon> Relena/Heero drama video, who were we kidding?
[21:12] <Kionon> But my point is so that was the first video I worked on that was released. It still holds up against many of the things we review today. Why is this?
[21:12] <Orwell> Because what makes a decent video doesn't change?
[21:13] <godix> Because Kio is at least as good as something a total noob slaps together in a few hours?
[21:13] <godix> That's not realy bragging material there...
[21:13] <Kionon> Haha.
[21:14] <Kionon> No, I mean shouldn't techology have helped?
[21:14] <Orwell> No.
[21:14] <godix> Why? Technology has no artistic spirit.
[21:14] <Serv0> It has on a technical level.
[21:14] <Kionon> Shouldn't the manuals and FAQs and stickies help?
[21:14] <Kionon> Oh, I don't think it has. Not when we continually bitch about AR.
[21:15] <Orwell> You guys constantly bitch about AR. I hardly notice.
[21:15] <godix> There isn't a single guide on the site on how not to suck. They're all about how to get your suck to at least have decent visual quality
[21:16] <Serv0> Well, people are just lazy. You can still make a good vid without the technology. It's just having the modern editing and ripping technology now isn't being used to its full advantage.
[21:16] <Serv0> At least by most people.
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[21:16] <Serv0> oh boy
[21:16] <Kionon> You're late.
[21:16] <Serv0> looky here
[21:17] <Serv0> come to seek revenge huh
[21:17] <Kionon> But I'll post the script sometime today (need to post last week's too)
[21:18] <Serv0> but anyways, technology really has helped on a technical level. The problem today is that most people are now too worried about the technical and not the heart.
[21:19] <godix> Bingo. Polish a turd and what you have is still crap.
[21:20] * godix is now known as Bush
[21:21] * Bush is now known as godix
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[21:29] <Serv0> Anyways, thanks for the review this week Kionon.
[21:29] <Kionon> Np
And the week before
Main:
Bonus:
#amv-review wrote:[19:47] <aesling> is anyone else noticing fluctuating audio volume, or is it just me? o.O
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[19:48] <Kionon> I didn't.
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[19:48] <Kionon> O_o
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[19:50] <aesling> weird
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[19:52] <aesling> hmm
[19:52] <Driftroot> audio's ok for me
[19:52] <G_Q> Fine for me, also
[19:53] <aesling> well, in the credits it listed a bunch of characters representing various famous people, but the video moved so fast I didn't notice any of them except for Reese Witherspoon
[19:53] <aesling> and that one had text
[19:53] <Kionon> If you know the characters by name, that's all it is.
[19:54] <Kionon> Tamaki is Brad Pitt, as an example.
[19:54] <Driftroot> phew, ok, op is done
[19:54] <aesling> Kio: yeah, I realize that. :|
[19:54] <Fall_Child42> i do not know said characters by name
[19:55] <Kionon> Haruhi being Katie Holmes is made of fail though.
[19:55] <aesling> what I'm saying is the video itself was so fast-paced I didn't realize those people were representing anyone
[19:55] <Kionon> Haruhi > * when * != Haruhi.
[19:55] <aesling> for the most part
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[19:55] <Kionon> Yo candy machine
[19:56] <Fall_Child42> I'm not sure there is all that much to review for this video
[19:56] <Serv0> gumballs anyone?
[19:56] <Driftroot> I have a few things I can bring up
[19:56] <Driftroot> Hey Servo
[19:56] <Fall_Child42> But congrats on getting one of the rare tolerable ones kio ... If godix was around I'd thank him
[19:56] <Kionon> There isn't. But godix is right, we can't have crap all the time.
[19:57] <Driftroot> Can I ask you guys to try something with this AMV: watch it without the sound and see what happens.
[19:57] <Fall_Child42> we *COULD*
[19:57] <Fall_Child42> but it's not preferrable
[19:57] <Serv0> so is the vid any good?
[19:57] <Fall_Child42> I enjoyed it
[19:57] <Driftroot> It's not a homewreaker, Servo
[19:57] * ZephyrStar is now known as ZS|JCAEDITOROFTHEYEAR
[19:57] <Kionon> Yes.
[19:57] <Fall_Child42> it was fun
[19:57] <Kionon> DRL Why am I doing this?
[19:57] <Driftroot> Just do it
[19:57] * ZS|JCAEDITOROFTHEYEAR is now known as ZephyrStar
[19:58] * Fall_Child42 is now known as FC|GOODWITHORALMANIPULATIONS
[19:58] <Driftroot> It's a little pointless at this stage, but it might help me make a big point I plan on making.
[19:58] <Driftroot> You don't have to watch the whole thing, just a minute or so
[19:58] * Niotex is now known as Nio|VCA07HORRORVIDEOOFTHEYEAR
[19:58] <Serv0> I think I'll skip that description the editor has
[19:58] <Driftroot> You can also read my op if you want to know what I'm up to.
[19:58] * Nio|VCA07HORRORVIDEOOFTHEYEAR is now known as Niotex
[19:59] <FC> honestly I can't for the life of me figure out how people write so much in their video descriptions
[19:59] <Driftroot> I burn off MY steam in my Journal. Otherwise ...well, it would be scary when it came time to write about my AMVs.
[20:00] <Driftroot> heh, although I revise my comments so many times it's a whole 'nother level of ridiculous.
[20:00] <Kionon> Okay, review time.
[20:00] <Driftroot> Yay!
[20:00] <Kionon> Start us off, DR.
[20:00] <FC> Why DR?
[20:00] * FC|GOODWITHORALMANIPULATIONS is now known as Fall_Child42
[20:00] <Driftroot> Ok, who else was wondering how a song all about life after high school got stuck obsessing about life IN high school?
[20:00] <Kionon> She has big point to make
[20:01] <Driftroot> LET ME EXPLAIN:
[20:01] <Fall_Child42> Driftroot did you not pay attention to the song?
[20:01] <Fall_Child42> The whole world IS highschool
[20:02] <Driftroot> Yes, but we didn't see the whole world, did we? All we saw was high school. I failed to see how the whole world is HS because there's NOTHING in this AMV that proves that!
[20:02] <Fall_Child42> you Never leave High Shoocl
[20:02] <Fall_Child42> that was the point
[20:02] <Kionon> Ouran is an elevator school.
[20:02] <Fall_Child42> *School
[20:02] <Driftroot> Yeah but, to say you never leave HS, you have to leave HS. @_@
[20:02] <Fall_Child42> you have very very bad logic.
[20:03] <Kionon> It makes sense because other than possibly Haruhi, these people will go on to having the same positions amongst their Zaibatsu (Japanese family Corps).
[20:03] <Kionon> The relationships won't change at all.
[20:03] <Driftroot> Yeah, but we don't see them as adults - we don't see them living out their adults lives like they were in HS. We only see HS.
[20:03] <Fall_Child42> uhhhhg
[20:03] <Fall_Child42> i hate you
[20:03] <aesling> . . .
[20:03] <Driftroot> I know.
[20:03] <Fall_Child42> i'm sorry i don't mean that
[20:04] <Kionon> I have to go with FC on this one, which is a rarity.
[20:04] <Fall_Child42> I hate your argument
[20:04] <Kionon> As an example, college is like a bigger high school, and my first job? Politics? Yeah. It's even worse than high school.
[20:04] <Driftroot> "high school never ends" well ok, but technically speaking the Host Club folks never left, so how do they know if never ends. There's no proof!
[20:04] <Fall_Child42> Kionon, I don't think it's actually THAT much of a rarity ...
[20:05] <Kionon> And it's true, I still have the same five friends, and I'm still listening to BFS.
[20:05] <Kionon> nevermind that when I was in high school, they were the local band
[20:06] <Driftroot> Ok, let me put it this way: you make a comedy AMV to this song using a series with adult characters ... say Cowboy Bebop...and if you do it well you've actually nailed what this song is about. This song is not about high school, it's about adults behaving like they're still in HS.
[20:06] <Driftroot> But THIS AMV is about kids in high school, not adults.
[20:06] <Kionon> I can see your point, but it wouldn't work with a show like Cowboy Bebop.
[20:06] <Fall_Child42> it starts out about kids in highschool
[20:07] <Driftroot> Oh, I don't know about that.
[20:07] <Kionon> Ouran ends with graduation.
[20:07] <Driftroot> And I don't mean CB, I mean just any show with adult characters.
[20:07] <ZephyrStar> despite the song/source choice and what happens in the original source, I think it fits
[20:07] <Driftroot> Ghost in the Shell, Paprika, whatever
[20:07] <Kionon> Tamaki in the red mercedes is leaving for Paris when Haruhi goes after him.
[20:07] <aesling> It's drawing the paralell between the highschool behavior in the anime and the life after highschool portrayed by the lyrics
[20:07] <ZephyrStar> or you could just grab middle 20's characters from random stuff
[20:07] <Fall_Child42> ok look at it this way, if you are trapped in a bubble, you don't have to leave the bubble to know you will never leave the bubble.
[20:07] <Kionon> But you're thinking too deeply.
[20:08] <Fall_Child42> because that doesn't make sense
[20:08] <Driftroot> But there IS no life after hgh school portrayed in the anime!!
[20:08] <aesling> IT'S A METAPHOR
[20:08] <ZephyrStar> but what do you have if you do that? Azu daioh? maybe some Lucky Star for the sensei
[20:08] <Driftroot> Sorry, I think deeply.
[20:08] <Fall_Child42> no I don't think you do
[20:08] <ZephyrStar> me too :/
[20:08] <Niotex> Not really..
[20:08] <ZephyrStar> tood eeply
[20:08] <ZephyrStar> -o
[20:08] <ZephyrStar> TOOD.
[20:08] <Kionon> This is a visual metaphor.
[20:08] <Fall_Child42> TOOD EEEPLY
[20:08] <Driftroot> ood peeply
[20:08] <ZephyrStar> true
[20:09] <aesling> Seriously, if you can't understand metaphor, which is used to communicate concepts ALL THE TIME, you aren't thinking too deeply
[20:09] <Driftroot> I understand metaphor.
[20:09] <Fall_Child42> I'm pretty sure Highschool students use the word "like" many many times. Therefore, it's not a metaphore, it's a simile :P
[20:10] <aesling> Fuck you Todd :P
[20:10] <aesling> Simile is a type of metaphor
[20:10] <aesling> so suck it
[20:10] <Niotex> So like
[20:10] * Niotex votes Driftroot out of future reviews
[20:10] <quadir> I find the 'popin' characters really distracting
[20:10] <quadir> about midway
[20:10] <Driftroot> -_-
[20:10] <ZephyrStar> quadir: same here
[20:10] <Fall_Child42> quadir
[20:10] <ZephyrStar> too fast, too many
[20:10] <Fall_Child42> yeah I'll agree on that one
[20:10] <G_Q> It was okay.
[20:11] <ZephyrStar> and the same thing with the text at the beginning, I really like it, but it needs to be way bigger
[20:11] <Driftroot> A lot of this AMV was too fast, too sharp.
[20:11] <ZephyrStar> cut screen into rule of 3rds, that text should take up a third
[20:11] <aesling> Speaking of characters popping out of nowhere, suddenly a quadir!
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[20:11] <aesling> You're really distracting, man
[20:11] <Fall_Child42> let's steer away from driftroot's illogical argument ... and start with some of the technical aspects
[20:11] <ZephyrStar> thousands of him?
[20:11] <quadir> Driftroot: with risk of you already having gone on for 10 mins
[20:11] * Driftroot whacks a quadirmole
[20:11] <Fall_Child42> some of them I can't say are WRONG
[20:11] <quadir> aesling: I know, I've been working out.
[20:12] <Fall_Child42> but I would have handled them differently
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[20:12] <Fall_Child42> Those popping out characters are one of them
[20:12] <Kionon> bloody peer
[20:12] <Kionon> I think the haruhi scream was unnecessary
[20:12] <Fall_Child42> The others are, the grid with the 9 boxes
[20:12] <quadir> the focus on a show that is stuck in HS and just about HS is pretty narrowminded, the song is about the transition. There's no transition here. Even using ippo would be better, at least he graduates and then IT CONTINUES
[20:12] <Fall_Child42> the vegas preset transition
[20:13] <Driftroot> Thank you quadir.
[20:13] <Fall_Child42> and the flying words at the beginning
[20:13] <Kionon> I disagree. I think the metaphor is clear.
[20:13] <Fall_Child42> quadir I think the song is more about the Lack of a transition
[20:13] <quadir> Kionon: how so?
[20:13] <quadir> Fall_Child42: yes but there has to be an attempt at one
[20:13] <Fall_Child42> you are stuck in a perpetual Highschool
[20:14] <Fall_Child42> Quadir there was
[20:14] <Fall_Child42> It showed the students graduate
[20:14] <Fall_Child42> but then they were stuck in the same place they left
[20:14] <Fall_Child42> I see no inconsistancy here
[20:14] <Driftroot> No, actually, they never did leave. That's the inconsistency.
[20:14] <Kionon> The point is that even if it doesn't look the same, it should.
[20:15] <quadir> the mid of the amv could almost pull it off
[20:15] <Fall_Child42> Driftroot THATS WHAT THE SONG SAYS HAPPENS
[20:15] <quadir> as being elsewhere
[20:15] <Kionon> 00:31 is a graduation scene on graduate
[20:16] <Driftroot> It's difficult to draw comparisons between life after high school and life in high school when all we're being presented with is the latter. That's all I'm saying.p
[20:16] <Kionon> The point is a visual metaphor saying "Oh fuck. This IS high school."
[20:16] <quadir> but by 2:27 we're back to "forever in highschool" being some kind of "highschool 4 ever! <3"
[20:16] <quadir> sentiment
[20:16] <Driftroot> It is high school because it is high school but this song isn't saying this is high school it's saying this is life AFTER high school.
[20:17] <Fall_Child42> it's saying life after highschool IS highschool
[20:17] <Driftroot> Yeah, ok, so where's the proof?
[20:17] <Kionon> The song is saying it's the SAME.
[20:17] <Driftroot> All I see is high school.
[20:17] <quadir> Fall_Child42: nono, it's a metaphore
[20:17] <Kionon> There is no difference.
[20:17] <Kionon> ...DR: look outside your window.
[20:17] <Kionon> There's your proof.
[20:17] <quadir> for there to be a metaphore, you need 2 different things to compare
[20:17] <Driftroot> It's dark out there!
[20:18] <Kionon> If you're looking for a sociological treatise on perpetual adolescence from a comedy AMV, you're looking in the wrong place.
[20:18] <Driftroot> Look at it this way, guys: if this series actually had all all these characters as adults reminiscing about high school - would you NOT have used those adult scenes in this AMV?
[20:18] <Fall_Child42> there is no reminiscence
[20:18] <Driftroot> That's my point.
[20:18] <Fall_Child42> there is not meant to be
[20:18] <Kionon> quadir: then call it symbolism.
[20:18] <quadir> I'm really with DR here, this song is more a adults with flashbacks to HS then anything else
[20:18] <Driftroot> They are NOT looking at their adult lives thinking "God damnit, it's like I'm still in HS"
[20:19] <quadir> then HS with adult comparisons
[20:19] <Kionon> DR: I don't know. I would never have made this amv. Not as well, at least.
[20:19] <Driftroot> They are looking at their HS lives and thinking "I'm still in HS!"
[20:19] <Fall_Child42> no
[20:19] <quadir> Driftroot: uh, you had me until now :(
[20:19] <Fall_Child42> no they arn't
[20:19] <Driftroot> Sorry, i mean, they're celebrating the fact that life is stuck in a HS rut
[20:20] <quadir> celebrating?
[20:20] <Fall_Child42> quadir why do you keep trying to agree with driftroot? do you like the challenge of trying to defend a hopless position?
[20:20] <quadir> uh no :(
[20:20] <Driftroot> They do seem happy about it, though.
[20:20] <quadir> Fall_Child42: I was agreeing with her till her last statement!
[20:20] <quadir> I fold
[20:20] <Driftroot> lol
[20:20] <Niotex> I lold
[20:20] <Driftroot> Question is: did I do that on purpose? LOL
[20:20] <Kionon> The idea here is that high school never ends. So the idea that they're stuck in high school is a symbolism. Of course the real world isn't a building we know of as high school, but the same shit matters. Itr might as well be the same building.
[20:20] <Kionon> -a
[20:21] <Fall_Child42> it's just a larger building
[20:21] <Kionon> And Ouran is more like a college, and it's an elevator school anyhow.
[20:22] <Fall_Child42> now That's a metaphore :O
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[20:22] <quadir> If you show me situation A forever, of course it will always be the same... what I find cute in the song however, is that you start in situation A... then you change to situation B... then you REALIZE that situation B just turns into situation A
[20:22] <quadir> there has to be this moment where you think you're doing something different
[20:22] <Kionon> I don't think they seem happy at all.
[20:22] <quadir> and realize that you're just doing the same /kind/ of thing all over again
[20:23] <Kionon> quadir: that's internal, not external.
[20:23] <Driftroot> It's a tongue-in-cheek kind of happy.
[20:23] <Fall_Child42> I really don't think the song anyway is happy at all.
[20:23] <Driftroot> I knew I shouldn't have had a glass of wine before this #review started...
[20:23] <Kionon> BFS's stuff is all tongue-in-cheek, it's one of the reasons I love them.
[20:23] <Kionon> No, it's not happy, it's just their style.
[20:23] <Fall_Child42> I'm not sure about the show's connection
[20:23] <Kionon> It' sarcastically upbeat.
[20:24] <Fall_Child42> Kionon As a fan of punkrock music I'm quite used to that
[20:24] <quadir> it really seems like the anime is a really poor choice
[20:24] <Kionon> Perhaps you should listen to some of their other stuff.
[20:24] <Fall_Child42> others here may not be.
[20:24] <Fall_Child42> how many albums do they have out now? three?
[20:25] <Kionon> Four.
[20:25] <quadir> this seems a perfect example how you can do some superficial lyric sync, match a show to the tone of a song, and have a complete miss
[20:25] <Driftroot> I think the anime is an excellent choice for this concept if you don't use this song. I was not expecting this song (I didn't look at the song before watching it, honest) and it threw me off because what I thought I was watching wasn't what I was watching.
[20:25] <Kionon> if you count their first release which was pretty much I got it from them.
[20:25] <Driftroot> THIS is why I watch comedy AMVs with the sound off FIRST.
[20:25] <Niotex> Go Driftroot!
[20:25] <Fall_Child42> <Driftroot> I think the anime is an excellent choice for this concept if you don't use this song
[20:25] <Fall_Child42> okay
[20:26] <Niotex> \o/
[20:26] <Fall_Child42> I'm not mad anymore
[20:26] <Fall_Child42> I'm amused now
[20:26] <aexling> this is why I listen to comedy videos with the monitor off first
[20:26] <Driftroot> What? It's true. The editor's concept and the song clash, IMO
[20:26] <aesling> ...
[20:26] <Fall_Child42> lol
[20:26] <Kionon> There was Let's Do it For Johnny, Tell Me When To Woah, Drunk Enough to Dance, and then the one this came off of.
[20:26] <ZephyrStar> *facepalm*
[20:26] <quadir> Driftroot: one glass?
[20:26] <Niotex> ohh god..
[20:26] <Driftroot> What?
[20:26] <Fall_Child42> That's it I'm done
[20:26] <Fall_Child42> Fuckin lol
[20:26] <Driftroot> :)
[20:27] <Niotex> Its like a timeparadox..
[20:27] <quadir> alright moving on
[20:27] <Fall_Child42> YOU CHANGED THE FUTURE
[20:27] <Kionon> I don't agree at all, Driftroot.
[20:27] <Driftroot> Ok, we agree to disagree, then. :)
[20:27] <aesling> LMAO
[20:27] <Fall_Child42> Quadir
[20:27] <Kionon> I think that was likely the best anime choice for this song.
[20:27] <Fall_Child42> last impressions
[20:27] <Kionon> It's crazy enough to work.
[20:27] <Fall_Child42> Video was fun, I liked it
[20:28] <Fall_Child42> some technical stuff i didn't like
[20:28] <quadir> ugh a lot
[20:28] <Driftroot> If she hadn't used this song, I'd have liked it a lot more.
[20:28] <quadir> although the picture frame thing was a cute effect
[20:28] <Kionon> The song IS the video.
[20:28] <quadir> Kionon: shhhhh
[20:28] <Driftroot> Yeah, well, we've been over that.
[20:28] <Kionon> How can you do you suggest doing it without the song?
[20:28] <Driftroot> Oh, I can and I did, in my op.
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[20:28] <Fall_Child42> *** ssg|2_mouthfulls [~stab@synIRC-34FFC6D9.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer]
[20:28] <Kionon> We have?
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[20:29] <aesling> [19:28] <koopiskeva> yea suckit buuuooooooyy
[20:29] <aesling> [19:28] <Fall_Child42> <ZephyrStar> <Sungod93> *** ssg|2_mouthfulls [~stab@synIRC-34FFC6D9.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer]
[20:29] <aesling> [19:28] <aexling> <ZephyrStar> <Sungod93> *** ssg|2_mouthfulls [~stab@synIRC-34FFC6D9.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer]
[20:29] <aesling> [19:28] <Niotex> <ZephyrStar> <Sungod93> *** ssg|2_mouthfulls [~stab@synIRC-34FFC6D9.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer]
[20:29] <Driftroot> whoa...lag...
[20:29] <quadir> the video gets a lot better after the editor stops beat matching
[20:29] <Kionon> WTF
[20:30] <Kionon> Ah.
[20:30] <Kionon> The Great Burrito Extortion Case
[20:31] <Kionon> Ah, Roll On Honorable ones was the "please listen to our CD" album.
[20:31] * aexling|classing is now known as aexling|ded
[20:32] <Kionon> DR: How do you get your ideas?
[20:32] <Driftroot> Which ones?
[20:32] <Kionon> See, going song first, this is perhaps one of the best choices, if not the best anime choice.
[20:32] <quadir> in the end the video felt too superficial for me, and the beat matching at the beginning with effect overuse really didn't contribute to the video. I couldn't get the progression I was seeing in the song, in the video.
[20:33] <Driftroot> Kio, I think we need to back up a second. Can I try to explain this again?
[20:33] <Fall_Child42> I did get that progression...
[20:33] <Fall_Child42> I think for the next video
[20:33] <quadir> Driftroot: please don't.
[20:33] <Kionon> Now that I've seen the video, it's hard for me to imagine how it could have been done differently without being done, well, shittier.
[20:33] <Driftroot> Ok, fine.
[20:33] <Fall_Child42> I'm gonna agree with whatever Driftroot says
[20:33] <Fall_Child42> I like challenges
[20:33] <quadir> Fall_Child42: copycat
[20:34] <Driftroot> I'll just have to try and explain myself in the thread, then, since it's apparently not allowed here.
[20:34] <Fall_Child42> I will valiently defend her position no matter how rediculus and senseless
[20:34] <Kionon> I don't see why quadir said that.
[20:34] <quadir> Driftroot: you and kionon have gone on for 30 minutes over the same point
[20:34] <Fall_Child42> Moon landing was faked?
[20:34] <Kionon> And I'm not sure why I have to follow him.
[20:34] <Fall_Child42> I PROVIDE BACKUP!
[20:34] <aexling> <Fall_Child42> Moonlight Soldier landing was faked?
[20:35] <quadir> without discussing anything else. this is a 'theme' review
[20:35] <Fall_Child42> 9/11 was a giant jewish world domination conspiracy!
[20:35] <Kionon> quadir: fair enough, give us a new topic.
[20:35] <quadir> I did, a few so far
[20:35] <Kionon> I think that's about all we can do, I really didn't have any complaints. It was the warning I gave to godix.
[20:35] <Orwell> What'd the dix do now?
[20:36] <Fall_Child42> wait
[20:36] <Fall_Child42> what?
[20:36] <Kionon> I suppose I could do without the beginning word flashes
[20:36] <Fall_Child42> we are going to discuss theme?
[20:36] <quadir> Fall_Child42: <3
[20:36] <Fall_Child42> but noone here knows what theme is
[20:36] * Driftroot coughs
[20:36] <Driftroot> There's two themes.
[20:37] <Fall_Child42> it will fill me full of a burning rage that will make me punch infants
[20:37] * aesling hands Driftroot a lozenge
[20:37] <Niotex> Enlighten us
[20:37] <Driftroot> The theme of the song and the theme of the AMV.
[20:37] <Driftroot> They're two different themes, as far as I'm concerned.
[20:37] <Niotex> ...
[20:37] <Fall_Child42> I'M GONNA PUNCH THIS FUCKING CHILD
[20:37] <Fall_Child42> RIGHT IN THE FACE
[20:37] <Fall_Child42> IT'S A BABY GIRL NAMED SALLY
[20:37] <quadir> Fall_Child42: 42 TIMES
[20:37] <Fall_Child42> SHE WEIGHED 7.45 POUNDS WHEN SHE WAS BORN
[20:38] * Driftroot crunches lozenge
[20:38] <Fall_Child42> DON'T MAKE ME DO IT
[20:38] <Kionon> I think we did.
[20:38] <Kionon> Overdiscussed it, according to quadir.
[20:38] <Driftroot> I've seen worse overdiscussions.
[20:38] <Driftroot> Far worse.
[20:38] <quadir> Kionon: I'm trying to follow the start, and it's moving really really fast, I think to beatsync
[20:39] <quadir> Kionon: like the hand bite scene
[20:39] <quadir> before 'graduate'
[20:39] <quadir> it's throwing me for a loop
[20:40] <Kionon> Let's step back then.
[20:40] <Kionon> Is the video enjoyable?
[20:40] <Fall_Child42> I though the speed was a bit much as well.
[20:40] <Driftroot> Yes, it's very enjoyable.
[20:40] <quadir> comedy is often fast paced going from gag to gag, and the video does slow down later on
[20:40] <Kionon> FC stop.
[20:41] <Kionon> Now.
[20:41] <Fall_Child42> stop what?
[20:41] <quadir> Kionon: I didn't enjoy the video, it was all over the place
[20:41] <aesling> Kio: late much?
[20:41] <Driftroot> The lyric synch was definitely strained at times. For instance, the "ladder" episode was the worst.
[20:41] <Kionon> aesling: lagburst
[20:42] <Kionon> and don't provoke
[20:42] <aesling> :/
[20:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Kionon Kionon
[20:42] <Fall_Child42> so stop talking about the speed issues?
[20:42] <Kionon> Stop the spamming
[20:42] <Fall_Child42> uhh
[20:42] <Fall_Child42> okay?
[20:43] <quadir> *facepalm*
[20:43] <Driftroot> ?
[20:43] <quadir> at this point kionon will kb you for something 15 minutes ago
[20:43] <Driftroot> :|
[20:43] <Kionon> :|
[20:43] <Kionon> I'd agree the ladder scene sucked.
[20:43] <Kionon> But, I didn't care.
[20:44] <quadir> I wish I knew ouran more, because I'm trying to figure out if the video follows the same people the whole way, but I can't tell
[20:44] <Fall_Child42> I enjoyed watching the video
[20:44] <Kionon> yes, it does.
[20:44] <Fall_Child42> That's really what counts right?
[20:44] <quadir> Kionon: no, you decided you loved the video and everything else went out the window X_X
[20:44] <quadir> Fall_Child42: not really
[20:44] <Fall_Child42> so opinion doesn't matter?
[20:44] <Driftroot> Yes, I enjoyed this video, despite the fact that I don't agree it fits the song appropriately.
[20:44] <Kionon> Not exactly.
[20:44] <aesling> Yeah, enjoying videos is silly
[20:44] <Kionon> We're here to discuss why the video did or did not work.
[20:45] <Fall_Child42> did not work for what?
[20:45] <Kionon> It worked for me. It did not work for you. Why didn't it work for you? I can't talk about that, it worked for me.
[20:45] <quadir> aesling: go back to your naruto you!
[20:45] <aesling> I am mortally offended
[20:45] * aesling slaps quadir with a glove
[20:45] <quadir> Kionon: you can if you're able to put yourself in someone else's shoes
[20:46] <Fall_Child42> I mean, if I like a video that factor pretty much overwhelms all of the other aspects doesn't it?
[20:46] <quadir> admitted something many people claim to be able to do but rarely can
[20:46] <Serv0> hmmm...so is revuew still going? Because I kinda zoned out there for a sec.
[20:46] <quadir> Fall_Child42: you could like it and realize the video is crap though, see "shooting star"
[20:46] <Serv0> *review
[20:46] <Fall_Child42> quadir, some would say that that is completely impossible, and I would tend to agree.
[20:46] <Driftroot> Videos don't need to be perfect to be enjoyable.
[20:46] <Niotex> Changing the file extention makes it work for you!
[20:47] <Kionon> Are there flaws? Yes, and I pointed out a few.
[20:47] <quadir> Fall_Child42: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... php?v=2303
[20:47] <Fall_Child42> As did I
[20:47] <Kionon> I think the lipsync was overdone.
[20:47] <Kionon> I could live without the words, but honestly, those didn't bother me.
[20:47] <Kionon> The ladder scene was obviously filler literal sync.
[20:47] <Driftroot> lipsync was often too fast, IMO, this entire AMV could have been slowed down a lot.
[20:47] <Fall_Child42> quadir ... I'd like to watch it
[20:47] <Fall_Child42> :O
[20:48] <quadir> see the lipsync didn't bother me, considering it wasn't done 90% of the time...
This was my first huge project and I was just beginning to learn half the effects and other things I put in the video. Even still, I don't think I'd change a thing with this video in particular if I had to do it all over again. It's the way I envisioned it, but hopefully I can take all I learned from reading this review and improve a lot more for my future ones.
). I really appreciate it a lot everyone! 
