Legality of Public Performances

CYbrosisEvolved · Post by **CYbrosisEvolved** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:09 am

Hey Guys im a new Member, and i was just woundering, theres now laws prohibiting Anime Music Videos being shown in a public place is there?, there is no copyright owed except to the artist (ie that it is their work and not another person), and they are free to distribute as well?

ifihadaninja · Post by **ifihadaninja** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:21 am

i really think that you are allowed, ive heard stories of people showing them at bars and such. plus cons and whatnot, as far as i know its allowed.

dokool · Post by **dokool** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:32 am

Please save us all the trouble of talking about this subject for the umptillionth time and search the forum for previous threads.

The dead horse has been beaten repeatedly.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:50 am

Eh, eh, no need to get hostile... It seems to deviate slightly from the usual copyrigh-related stuff.

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But let me make it simple for you:

No. It's technically illegal. It doesn't mean that it's not done often, but whether it is or not, it is most certainly illegal

kitsunebeolnet · Post by **kitsunebeolnet** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:51 am

Otohiko wrote:
But let me make it simple for you:

No. It's technically illegal. It doesn't mean that it's not done often, but whether it is or not, it is most certainly illegal

X2 with a cherry on top.

Generally, you can avoid most threats of legal action if you are not charging admission. THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT LEGAL - but will keep most jerks off your back. My home con (Marcon) has long had an open admission policy to its video rooms for this reason. Likewise, a local theater shows football games on their big screen and gets around the problems of broadcast rights (to some extent) by not charging for admission to the show but to their tailgate buffet spread.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:55 am

It all goes back to an old saying I heard a while ago.

(Back when Vhs existed

)
"Yes it's illegal to distribute footage and it's likness' thats why in the rental business you're not renting the movie, you're renting the tape and whatever happens to be on said tape =o"

Blockbuster actually has something about it in their hand books for employes just incase anyone questions the moral actions of it all.

As far as the artist him or herself, I dunno, I wouldnt mind mystuff being played anywhere publicly. I don't know MANY that would.
I suppose it's nice to ask though?

CYbrosisEvolved · Post by **CYbrosisEvolved** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:46 pm

thanks you guys... no we wont charge admission, ive just collected about 500 AMV's raging from awful to incredible.. and this Gaming-LAN center wats to play them for the customers and staffs amusement. and i was sent to check with the legality of it

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:03 pm

A lot of LAN places, and even game/media stores sometimes, do that anyway. And it's certainly common practice in anime clubs/events.
If you're trying to be completely unassailable on the legal front, I don't suggest you do it. If you play them, the chance of any legal action against you is nearly non-existent, but this 'virtue of common practice' is no guarantee of immunity

Anyways, that's up to you. In a similar position, I probably would have shown AMV's on a limited basis.

jasper-isis · Post by **jasper-isis** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:00 pm

I just read something interesting...

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/php ... hp?t=10070

near the bottom of the page wrote:Otakon has a much different flavor to it and is known as a con that caters to the fans more by delving into gray areas (AMV, fansubs) that AX wishes it could go, but can't due to it having a large spotlight in the industry. That's something Otakon won't be able to stick with forever as the spotlight starts to shine on them as well. One thing that Otakon must recognize is that, as a "heavyweight" convention in the same class as AX, they will start to have an equally large presense in the industry, and that'd subject them to the same tight microscope we're under where a slight misstep could result in legal trouble and disfavor in the eyes of companies both in the US and in Japan. AMVs, for example, is the last bastion of gray that we stoutly refuse to get rid of, but could get us into BIG trouble. The companies have been very kind in looking the other way and even going as far as to *beg* their legal teams to stand down (they've had AMVs in their crosshairs for quite a while), but just as an example, if AX or Otakon ever were to get slapped for AMVs, it'd be all over for AMVs not just at Otakon and AX, but at *every* convention. It's all about precident. So there's a lot of things we worry about not just for the sake of our own convention, but for the smaller ones as well. I hope Otakon bears these concerns in mind as well.

Are there companies that really dislike AMV's?
Actually in some cases I wouldn't be too surprised, see as how we're really pushing the envelope when it comes to concepts these days...

CYbrosisEvolved · Post by **CYbrosisEvolved** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:24 pm

i think its possible that if there isnt someting they can make money off (AMV's) then it has no place at thier sponsered venus. But i Beleive that at a LAN center we are hardly sponsered by MADMAN or TOKYOPOP. So i think we will be in the green if we show them, and even more safe if we show them on members only nites