Phade wrote:YouTube, on the other hand, is a general free-for-all land of video. Anyone with anything video can put it up there with no checks, balances, or core community trying to keep things that are potentially “uncool” as cool as possible with the ones who have the big sticks to potentially beat us (AMVs) down. Knowing their policies, I knew from the start that YouTube was going to cause a good deal of unwanted problems with the music industry by having AMVs and other music videos show up in a very public, uncontrolled environment.
downwithpants wrote:OMG EVERYBODY PANIC!!1@35$2%89
Youtube, the booming American Web site where surfers share short videos, is taking off in Japan, too. The number of Japanese visitors per month has more than quadrupled to 6.4 million since February, an unprecedented success for an English-language Web site.
I think that is too pessimistic. Record labels (like any industry) are interested in making as much money as possible with their products. So if there's a chance to make more license agreements they'll do it. So the question isn't to me if they'd make similar agreements with other sites. It's the question if others sites can pay the license fees. And for smaller sites or non-commercial sites like the org the answer will most likely be "NO".Phade wrote:Would record labels rather try to keep track of similar agreements with potentially hundreds or thousands of other little similar web sites that do the same(-ish) thing as YouTube, or would they rather just worry about the one site and say “no” to all others?
My guess is that they would say “no” to every other site out there.
Vlad G Pohnert wrote:I don't think it means it's the end of this site completely. Yes, downloads of videos might not be possible, but it that's all the org is to everyone,.. If so, it's a sad state.
I have to agree with what was said, this is not just a download service, but a community where people can share common interests, coordinate meeting at cons, catalog their videos and provide insight into what they created for each entry...
This is the way the org was before the golden doughnut and if taking the video means the site disappears due to lack of interest, then it was not much of a community to begin with...
rubyeye wrote:Anyway, I have faith we will still exist, in some form or another. There is still the Conventions, remember.
...these deals allow people to create their own music videos to upload to YouTube using copyright sound recordings. This amounts to the labels giving GooTube users somewhat of a blanket license to create derivative works out of their music videos.
As word spreads that you can make your own videos for major hits without infringing copyright, we're going to see a lot more of these fan-created music videos....
Things will get even more interesting when these artists formerly known as fans get more sophisticated and look beyond the simple lip sync to more creative types of videos. Warner Music Group's press release says its YouTube deal boasts more than music videos, and includes "behind-the-scenes footage, artist interviews, original programming and other special content."...
godix wrote:I agree with the points Phade and others have made but overall I'm somewhat optimistic. The way I see it the various copyright holders are in a fight against blatently pure piracy. For the most part their moves have been to combat people distributing unmodified content they don't own. Derivative works, which AMVs clearly are, haven't been a big priority for them. While hosatchel, google video, etc. have gotten a lot of press recently that hasn't really changed anything in the copyright holders priorities. They're still after the people sharing mp3's, the official record label approved music videos, or entire movies/tv shows. Even on the tube that's mostly what they've targeted. About the only time AMVs seem to get hurt there is when AMV creators use their reporting tools to deal with video theft.
Of course that doesn't change the legalities. AMVs violate the law and the org could get bitch slapped any day because of it. But I doubt that will actually happen. As long as I can find and download almost any movie, show, or music I want within a few mintues I suspect the copyright holders will be focused elsewhere.
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