AMV suggestion ^_^

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AMV suggestion ^_^

Postby ChiaPetzukamori » Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:58 pm

Lol, if I had the know-how, the equipment (for encoding video and then putting it to music), and/or the time I think I would definitely do this...

Or has it been done already? I dunno...

I think someone(s) should make something like an anime Fantasia....you know, a series of amv's to classical music...something like that Kodomo no Omocha one I once saw to the William Tell Overture...or the Nutcracker Ballet Suite would be just perfect for a music video with magical girls....or senseless violence would be funny too! I don't even listen to that kind of music normally, but for some reason I think anime music videos to it are fun ^_^ Just a suggestion, I hope somebody thinks about it! Or maybe I'll be able to do it someday...who knows! :D
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Postby Maverick-Rubik » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:03 am

Wrong forum. :?
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Postby genestarwind21122 » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:04 am

You may have wanted to post this in the AMV Suggestion Area.
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Postby astroluc » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:28 pm

this IS the amv suggestion forum :?:
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Postby Bote » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:10 pm

astroluc wrote:this IS the amv suggestion forum :?:


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Re: AMV suggestion ^_^

Postby downwithpants » Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:51 pm

I haven't heard of a series of classical amvs but...
ChiaPetzukamori wrote:a music video with magical girls....or senseless violence would be funny too!

check out this vid by ssgwnbtd

but interesting suggestion. maybe i'll work on a 5-movement piece of Strauss' Die Fledermaus in the distant future.
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Postby Rorschach » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:36 pm

We've already got a lot of videos set to classic music. I've done one myself:

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=11659

About all we would need to make these into something like Disney's original Fantasia movie would be some narrative between the videos and a general ordering of them to provide some balance (for instance, the sacred/profane balance of "Night On Bald Mountain" and "Ave Maria" and the usage of footage set to each of the three kinds of music the narrator mentions when he's introducing the movie. And, of course, we would have to remaster some of the videos to make them as clear and viewable as possible. (I've been thinking of remastering mine when I get a little better footage.)
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Postby rose4emily » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:23 am

reply on one level:

try watching Princess Tutu. it's not entirely a music show like Fantasia, but has beautiful artwork and plenty of music-driven scenes (not to mention the whole overlying ballet/fairytale theme).

reply on a second level:

it would be interesting if someone who owns a copy of fantasia would post the list of songs that are in it. then we could create it's anime counterpart. i'm not sure though, who should direct such a compilation, nor how they should go about directing it. certainly it would be advisable to avoid heavy re-use of the same scenes or the insertion of a really bad segment amongst several good ones, so it would make sense for someone really ambitious to volunteer as project director.

reply on a third level:

it could also be interesting to do one using all japanese-written traditional and classical music. i find it ironic that this site is almost entirely dominated by western bands (i'm guilty of that one myself) whilst it is dedicated showcasing the creative re-use of an eastern style of artwork. some flutes, kotos and taiko drums might be welcome additions to the catalog. this, of course, would work best if someone really familiar with traditional japanese music is involved in the project and music selection.
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Postby rose4emily » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:32 am

and, with regard to your initial examples:

william tell overture: see "caffene ecomium" (not sure on spelling)

nutcracker ballet with magical girls: definately watch Princess Tutu.

nutcracker ballet with senseless violence: i'm not certain, but i have to imagine there was a looney tunes or two where this was done. i do know for sure that they've used mozart and wagner, so why not tchaikovsky. not that an anime version would in any way hurt.
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Postby Kalium » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:59 am

I see. A Fantasia Project (Animasia?). It would be an interesting MMEP (Massive Multi-Editer Project).

1. Toccata and Fugue in D Minor
2. Nutcracker Suite
3. Sorcerer's Appentice
4. Rite of Spring
5. Pastoral Symphony
6. Dance of the Hours
7. Night on Bald Mountian
8. Ave Maria

http://imusic.artistdirect.com/soundtra ... tasia.html

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Postby Scintilla » Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:01 pm

And for Fantasia 2000:

Beethoven: Symphony #5 (1st Movement)
Respighi: Pines of Rome
Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue
Shostakovich: Piano Concerto #2, Allegro
Saint-Saëns: Carnival of the Animals, Finale
Dukas: The Sorceror's Apprentice (again)
Elgar: Pomp and Circumstance - Marches 1, 2, 3, and 4 (as arranged by Peter Schickele! whoo!)
Stravinsky: Firebird Suite - 1919 Version


Oh yeah, and here's something interesting about the Firebird segment:
"The downside is that Firebird had much of the edge taken off its imagery by Princess Mononoke (1997), which was released in English only two months before this was."
- http://www.roogulator.esmartweb.com/fan ... ia2000.htm
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Postby rose4emily » Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:20 am

they made another one? wow - i was out of the loop on that. i'll have to rent it or something and put it along with "the wall", "dark side of the rainbow", "interstalla 5555" and the original "fantasia" on the list of awesome music movies that i've seen.

i do have an idea for the perfect version of bach's "toccata and fugue in d minor, bvw 565". it's a jazz arrangement by the jaques loussier trio that maintains all of the original music (mr. loussier is an incredible pianist), starts with a very traditional feel on the toccata (the part everyone heard on their televisions come halloween) - but moves into an amazingly smooth yet delicate groove for the fugue (the incredibly difficult to play but awesome to listen to portion). it is, in my opinion, much more listenable than an organ recording (which never lives up to the power and richness of a live church organ under skilled hands) and adds a lot of flexibility to the interperetation of the piece (the audience won't be dissapointed if there are no vampires or gothic castles). i'm working out a concept for the video now, but it could be a while before it's done as i need a little more practice with masking and alpha compositing before i can carry it out. for now i am testing my compositing technique with a video for bob dylan's "subterranian homesick blues" using mr. dylan on the right side of the screen, sumomo from chobits on the left, overlayed into dylan's orignal video, holding her little television panel which i have masked to show scenes working with the song's lyrics - so dylan holds the signs with the words and sumomo hold the screen with the scenes. it's a fun project, but a touch difficult because of the three-layered masking and quirky nature of cinelerra, the only full-featured video editor i could get to work on linux.

the nutcracker suite would go well with tutu. it's kind of like using a song from an anime's own soundtrack in an amv, but in this case the fit is just too good to pass up. (i do have to check, though, whether the entire nutcracker suite is used, or just one of the better-known songs like "dance of the sugar plum fairies" or the opening overture).

sorcerer's apprentice - not quite sure on that one, but one idea comes to mind. how about those little hampster things from excel saga? they come in large numbers, march around, look like they could have been cloned off of something, and seem somehow sinister and hard to control. i haven't seen excel saga (yet), but it seems like something along those lines would be great comic relief after a twenty minutes of bach and ballet.

night on bald mountain could probably work well with the "monster raven" scenes from tutu, or with the crimson scenes of destruction from evangelon (while, of course, avoiding the giant fighting robots - i somehow don't see how they'd fit). other ideas could certainly work well, but those are the two that come to mind.

don't have anything yet for the others, other than perhaps using the more peaceful portions of mononoke for the "rite of spring".
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Postby Scintilla » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:11 am

rose4emily wrote:night on bald mountain could probably work well with the "monster raven" scenes from tutu, or with the crimson scenes of destruction from evangelon (while, of course, avoiding the giant fighting robots - i somehow don't see how they'd fit). other ideas could certainly work well, but those are the two that come to mind.

Personally, I thought the scene where they used "Night on Bald Mountain" to go with a giant Mecha-Tama breaking loose and causing destruction in <i>Love Hina</i> was freakin' hilarious.

... of course, I thought the same thing about the scene where they used "Arima Souichirou I" to go with A.D. giving a depressed, despairing monologue in <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?vid_id=25084">"Road to Iron Chef"</a>...
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Postby rose4emily » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:29 am

hadn't thought of it that way - i guess giant fighting/city stomping robots would be perfect if comedy, instead of drama, was the desired effect. that could be hilarious.
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Postby Rorschach » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:39 am

While I like the idea of doing homage to Fantasia, who says we need to use the songs Disney used? The first Fantasia was brilliant in part because it was so original. (It was also brilliant because it dealt with many powerful mythological themes, such as the struggle of good and evil and the portrayal of time as a kind of dance.)

Fantasia 2000, on the other hand, though it used the latest animation technology and seemed very polished, also seemed very soulless and shallow. The only pieces in it that I thought were very good were its use of Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue with New Yorker caricatures (portraying the kind of romantic American myth I believe the composer intended for his music to portray) and its reuse of the Sorcerer's Apprentice story from the first Fantasia.

If we were actually to do an "Animasia" piece, we should be as original as the first Fantasia, and pick out songs Disney hasn't done yet. Then we should sort them according to their various themes, pick the ones which best portray their category's theme, and arrange them in an order which balances each theme against the others. We could, for example, start with something with no obvious plot which nevertheless has a very strong symbolism, and move on to something that still has no plot but is definitely intended to bring certain pictures and ideas to mind, and then on to a piece which has a very definite plot. Then we could show something done "just for laughs" and follow this with something very dark and serious. Finally, we could end the set with something bright and triumphant, and then roll some credits.

A full-length "fan movie" would be really amazing if we could pull it off. Given the material we already have available, it wouldn't be that hard to do. The only difficulty would lie in getting a narrator and setting him up with a camera and something impressive for a background. (We don't have a live orchestra and conductor for this as Fantasia did, unfortunately.) Maybe we could do a little creative work with a blue screen? It doesn't even have to be a real blue screen; just dress him in black, and set him against a brightly colored background.
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