Krisqo wrote:True. But that's why God gave us free will. Otherwise we would be puppets controlled by some omnipotent being.
But I would not say that Christianity is shoving shit down people's throats. Hell... how often do you hear ANYTHING about Benedict XVI? He's done NOTHING since he was 'elected' Pope. In fact, don't expect him to do anything because he is a transitional Pope while they find a more suitable pontificate to replace him when he dies in a few years.
Ah, but how do you know you have free will? This all could be God's plan from the start. lol. That's just something I always like to think about. Do we actually have free will, or is it like playing the Sims? They might take their own retarded route to get there, but all of their actions have already been set out by some being they can't see. lol. Who knows.
Christianity itself, no, but some Christians, yes. Crusades. The "conversion" of the native Americans. Jehovah's Witnesses. Just various people you meet everyday that will try to convert you convinced that's the only way you will be "saved." I know every religion has that to the extent. Look at the Middle East. But in the US, its Christianity that seems to be the worst about that. I have nothing against Christianity and Christians. I'm technically Roman Catholic. I just hate all these born-again Christians trying like hell to convert everyone, even if they already have a religion or don't want one. Or even worse. Trying to convert someone from another sect of Christianity to theirs convinced that theirs is the only right one. But really its all the same but with slight variations and emphasis on different aspects. So really, its just a matter of picking which one works for you and rolling with it. There's no reason that a Methodist should be telling and Episcopalian they're going to Hell because they're not Methodist. Its all Christianity in the end. You're still following the same ideal. Just going about it in a different manner. Its just one of my peeves. lol. And Pope Benedict did away with Limbo.
godix wrote:Actually, if you believe the bible, god wanted puppets. In order for free will to mean anything you need enough knowledge to use the free will and God didn't want us to have that knowledge. We had to take it ourself, with a little help from a snake. At which point we were punished for all eternity (or until the final judgement, whichever comes first). So while God gave us free will he must have done is as a rather sadistic joke because the first time man used his free will, and used it without the ability to even know they were making a bad choice, they not only got their ass whipped for it but their children and grandchildren and so on got an ass kicking as well. Kinda like if a two month old did something wrong so you toss it in jail for the rest of it's life and toss and offspring it has in jail until the entire line dies out. So yeah, god does want us to be puppets controlled by an omnipotent being and he got rather pissy when things didn't quite work out that way.
Yeah, the voices gave me an "alternate" version of creation and Adam and Eve and stuff, and they said that from the beginning, God and Lucifer were basically quarrelling over how the human race would be. And at that point, God was for puppets and Lucifer was for free will. And when the puppet thing came about, Lucifer felt sorry for us and finally convinced Eve to eat the apple. Needless to say, God was pissed. Took it out on us. And has been using that as an excuse to take his anger out on us ever since. That and punishing anyone who takes any advice whatsoever from Lucifer, since he's still pissed at him. But yeah, that's the voices. And I try not to listen to them. Because they're weird.
