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Postby DriftRoot » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:24 pm

Five uploaded, x more to go! It will be interesting to see if last year's semi dry spell of fantastic logos will become reversed in retaliation this year. (I just remember looking over all the submissions last year and thinking "Do I HAVE to pick one of these?")
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Postby kisusu » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:07 pm

almost every entry i do seems to submit twice :s
is it because i'm reloading the site sometimes or something? :s
it's kinda irritating :p
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Postby Minion » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:36 pm

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Postby DriftRoot » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:12 am

Question: That warning at the very bottom of the entry submissions page that references no 3D artwork - is this a narrow definition of 3D? Like, don't create a logo in a 3D program (or with "real" 3D wire frame structure in whatever program)?

I ask because one of the logos I'm working on is kind of hyper-realistic in that it's not technically 3D, but it's not flat, either. If it was going to be plastered on something that could not reproduce it perfectly (i.e. t-shirt - since when are there a-m-v.org t-shirts, anyways??), however, it COULD be altered to accommodate a flatter (even b&w) design without making unrecognizable. IMO, if there's a non-3D logo that needs alteration to be more all-media friendly down the road, the original designer shouldn't have an issue accommodating that. I know I don't.

Please don't say "upload your logo and find out" because I would like to know now if a non-3D logo that has some heavy shading and gradations is not acceptable than when I've put more even hours into this thing. If you do say that, well, I hope my submitting two versions - one the original and one a very flat alternative, will be OK - yes they'd be exactly the same design-wise, but if one's OK and one's not, well...that's the only way I can see to find out without losing the chance to submit that logo completely.

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Postby Corran » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:57 pm

I'm not sure why Phade made that statement but I imagine it was for a good reason. I'd suggest exporting the 3d render and making final touches within an image editing app if applicable. Just don't submit a file that can only be opened in a 3d editing program please.


Perhaps you could make both versions you mentioned and put them in the same zip. That way if the design wins and we have issues incorporating it, we could fall back to the other one. I suggest using the flattened one for the jpg/gif portion of the submission though.
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Postby kikai_saigono » Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:54 pm

I have a quick question (just in case I have to do this in the future):

If we submitted a logo, but it gets rejected because of resizing issues (like, say if the font I used would not do well when resized) could we resubmit the logo with a different font for the 'animemusicvideos.org' part of the logo, or would it be rejected for being counted as an entry that is too similar to the earlier rejected entry?
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Postby Gepetto » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:31 pm

Isn't it easier to just look at your logo and see if it's readable before submitting?
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Postby DriftRoot » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:53 pm

Corran wrote:I'm not sure why Phade made that statement but I imagine it was for a good reason. I'd suggest exporting the 3d render and making final touches within an image editing app if applicable. Just don't submit a file that can only be opened in a 3d editing program please.


No no, I'm not doing ANY 3D renders whatsoever - I just wasn't sure if "no 3D logos" meant no 3D software or no logos that had any 3D appearance whatsoever. A good example of the latter would be the Apple logos/icons/buttons you see everywhere with that reflection effect people love to copy - that's not 3D, but it's not flat like the current a-m-v.org logo is and would definately be hard to reproduce on certain types of media. :) (Don't worry, I'm not copying Apple anyways.)

kikai_saigono wrote:If we submitted a logo, but it gets rejected because of resizing issues (like, say if the font I used would not do well when resized) could we resubmit the logo with a different font for the 'animemusicvideos.org' part of the logo, or would it be rejected for being counted as an entry that is too similar to the earlier rejected entry?


If it's so small at it's"real" a-m-v.org size that you can't read it , then you probably should be increasing the font size, not hoping that the logo winds up on a billboard with letters that are 3' tall. Don't make giant logo and never see what happens when it gets resized for the Web because the latter is what everyone will be looking at when it comes times to pick their favorites. :wink:
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Postby kikai_saigono » Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:39 pm

Gepetto wrote:Isn't it easier to just look at your logo and see if it's readable before submitting?


I'm not that good at thinking ahead like that. :/ For some reason, I was only submitting stuff that looked 'cool'. Besides, I know that I for one and a lot of other people don't even use the text under the logo as much as just make their own text somewhere else on the banner....That's what I do most of the time, becase the text already on the banner sometimes just doesn't fit in there well.
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Postby DriftRoot » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:14 am

kikai_saigono wrote:I'm not that good at thinking ahead like that. :/ For some reason, I was only submitting stuff that looked 'cool'. Besides, I know that I for one and a lot of other people don't even use the text under the logo as much as just make their own text somewhere else on the banner....That's what I do most of the time, becase the text already on the banner sometimes just doesn't fit in there well.


No offense, but this is a personal pet peeve of mine. If a logo has text in it, it's part of the logo - you're not supposed to rip part of the logo out because it isn't playing nice with whatever design you've got in mind, it should be the other way around, actually.
I see so many banners that have the current logo splattered in pieces parts all over the place and it drives me nuts. If someone did that to one of MY logos, I would be rather annoyed - there I went, making a logo that fit those words, probably taking great pains to incorporate them into the design somehow, and people decide they don't like it and are just going to mess with it as they please. :x If the words don't fit, don't put them in the logo to begin with!

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Postby Kitsuner » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:14 am

DriftRoot wrote:
kikai_saigono wrote:I'm not that good at thinking ahead like that. :/ For some reason, I was only submitting stuff that looked 'cool'. Besides, I know that I for one and a lot of other people don't even use the text under the logo as much as just make their own text somewhere else on the banner....That's what I do most of the time, becase the text already on the banner sometimes just doesn't fit in there well.


No offense, but this is a personal pet peeve of mine. If a logo has text in it, it's part of the logo - you're not supposed to rip part of the logo out because it isn't playing nice with whatever design you've got in mind, it should be the other way around, actually.
I see so many banners that have the current logo splattered in pieces parts all over the place and it drives me nuts. If someone did that to one of MY logos, I would be rather annoyed - there I went, making a logo that fit those words, probably taking great pains to incorporate them into the design somehow, and people decide they don't like it and are just going to mess with it as they please. :x If the words don't fit, don't put them in the logo to begin with!

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Postby kikai_saigono » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:59 am

DriftRoot wrote:
No offense, but this is a personal pet peeve of mine. If a logo has text in it, it's part of the logo - you're not supposed to rip part of the logo out because it isn't playing nice with whatever design you've got in mind, it should be the other way around, actually.
I see so many banners that have the current logo splattered in pieces parts all over the place and it drives me nuts. If someone did that to one of MY logos, I would be rather annoyed - there I went, making a logo that fit those words, probably taking great pains to incorporate them into the design somehow, and people decide they don't like it and are just going to mess with it as they please. :x If the words don't fit, don't put them in the logo to begin with!

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I've done plenty of banners to know that the text that was part of this logo was a bitch to work with, and sometimes it was just easier to read with new text somewhere else on the logo. I wouldn't care if someone did it to my logo, because I understand. :/ If that sort of thing peeves you that bad then I don't know what to tell you. :|
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Postby Corran » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:22 pm

I've been approving logos that have very small text. The text will have to be removed if placed in a banner, but if someone were to blow up the logo and place it on a T-Shirt, it would look fine imo. I'll leave it up to you. That is my stance on it but I'm only one voter out of many so think of your target audience as well when designing these things.
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Postby DriftRoot » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:16 am

If there's text in the logo, it's part of the logo - there's logos out there without text that sometimes have text added, that's not what I'm talking about. The logo is one big whole image, so deciding to snip out parts just because you don't like them is pretty poor. I'd like to see someone remove the dot on the iPod logo and then justify this by complaining it was coming out too small to see anyways. Then again, as was quipped about slicing up anime and setting it to messed-with music, we're not dealing with a crowd of hardcore purists 'round here with steel-clad respect for other people's artistic efforts, now are we? I guess some logo defamation is to be expected.

Hrmm, to psychoanalyze the situation, my annoyance is probably rooted in harsh lessons my sister and I received about NEVER touching (i.e. scribbling on out of spite) each other's kindergarten drawings - she did it once and I don't remember what the punishment was, but it never happened again.

Corran wrote:I've been approving logos that have very small text. The text will have to be removed if placed in a banner, but if someone were to blow up the logo and place it on a T-Shirt, it would look fine imo. I'll leave it up to you.


So wait, if a logo gets picked that needs alteration to work for the site, you'll have it tweaked after the fact??? In the past I haven't voted for logos that have too-small text...even if they were good concepts... :(
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Postby Corran » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:40 pm

DriftRoot wrote:So wait, if a logo gets picked that needs alteration to work for the site, you'll have it tweaked after the fact??? In the past I haven't voted for logos that have too-small text...even if they were good concepts... :(


Banner Ad Contest Rules wrote:The phrase "AnimeMusicVideos.org" must be present and readable somewhere on the banner.


Note it doesn't say that text must be in the logo. The rules later go on to clarify:

The phrase on the logo may be rendered illegible or removed from the logo itself if the phrase is present and readable elsewhere on the banner.


Depending on the logo this particular clarification of the rule may need to change from year to year. If a logo primarily consists of the just the phrase "AnimeMusicVideos.org" with some minor decorations around it, then removing the phrase would significantly alter the logo and would not be acceptable. If the logo text is too small on logos where the phase is this important, I'll try to work with the submitter to alter the logo. That is, if there is enough time to do so prior to the deadline. Otherwise, I might simply reject it.
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