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Postby Corran » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:15 pm

It appears Premiere 6.x won't install on the 64 bit version of Vista so I could not test the Premiere plugin for this OS version. (Premiere Pro supposedly works on the 64 bit version, haven't tested.)

Otherwise these are what I found:

Installation
-Premiere plugin is placed in multiple locations: Premiere plugin directory and root folder of the drive premiere is installed on. (all os)

-Besweet gui will not launch because MSVBVM50.DLL could not be found. Copying this dll from my XP system32 folder to the Audio Apps/Besweet folder fixes my problem. (Vista)

-AMVApp avisynth tests fail. The follow error is displayed each time mplayer.2.exe is invoked. (Vista)

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Program issues
-DGIndex causes Vista to fall back to the Basic version of its graphic desktop. Error does not impact functionality of DGIndex, it's just slightly annoying. (Vista)(Something for Donald Graft to eventually fix I guess)

-The following error message and and resulting crash is created when attempting to open an avs file in ZarxGUI on the 64 bit version of Vista. Vista RC1 32 bit seems to have no problem. Virtual dub and other apps can open avisynth scripts fine. (Vista x64)

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Postby Corran » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:07 pm

I've just finished attempting two encodes on Vista RC1 x86 with Zarx264GUI

E:\Test.avs -> E:\vistatest.mp4
E:\test2.avs -> E:\test2.mp4

Both ran, created the proper intermeadiate files to be muxed, and appeared to encode fine; however, the resulting files are not found in E:\ or anywhere. I'm guessing there was a problem with the muxing in mp4box.
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Postby Corran » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:31 pm

Corran wrote:I've just finished attempting two encodes on Vista RC1 x86 with Zarx264GUI

E:\Test.avs -> E:\vistatest.mp4
E:\test2.avs -> E:\test2.mp4

Both ran, created the proper intermeadiate files to be muxed, and appeared to encode fine; however, the resulting files are not found in E:\ or anywhere. I'm guessing there was a problem with the muxing in mp4box.


Encoding/Muxing works fine if I tell Zarx264GUI to create a batch file and then run that instead of encoding with the gui. Intermeadiate files are still left on the hard drive though. (Which can be a good thing if for some reason you don't like the fact that he the GUI automatically deletes them.)
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Postby shishlik » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:17 pm

o.k i went through some of the pages and tried the new encoding tool and for some reason it crashes after a couple of seconds after i hit the "encode" button. Also, for some reason, Megui doesn't work either now (can't even load) - probably has something to do with AMVApp's installation. Thank you for the guide.
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Postby Zarxrax » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:51 pm

shishlik wrote:o.k i went through some of the pages and tried the new encoding tool and for some reason it crashes after a couple of seconds after i hit the "encode" button. Also, for some reason, Megui doesn't work either now (can't even load) - probably has something to do with AMVApp's installation. Thank you for the guide.

What operating system are you using? If you uninstall amvapp does megui work again?
Can you give me more information about the crashing? What exactly happens? Does it simply disappear with no error message? When the encoding progress window comes up what messages does it display before it closes?
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Postby shishlik » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:49 pm

I'm using XP
Uninstalling didn't help - maybe it isn't related? but it worked before...
Nothing to say about the crashing really... it just shows me the encoding dialog or whatever like it's initiating and then the program disappears without any alarm.
OK I reinstalled the AMVAPP and still the shame issue. Anyway it just says "starting..." and then disappears. I know this isn't a problem with avisynth because i did successfully open the script on virtualdubmod and I tried disabling all the filters. Nothing.


Besides the point:
1)The premiere AVS configuration GUI doesn't have a default value setup (show blank) so unless it is changed by the user avisynth will not work - I think this might cause confusion.

2)Also wierd, because I tell it I already have avisynth installed and to backup existing filters it doesn't set up all the plugins. For example the loading command "directshowsource". copy pasting from my backup folder fixes this though.

3)Why did you decide to create an all new encoding tool just for this purpose instead of just using Megui which does all you mentioned but leaves more room for exploring and options for output (using matroksa for example). Not to mention it automatically updates the codecs and everything and you can add some ready profiles for it and it's just as easy to use.
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Postby Zarxrax » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:50 pm

The problem with MeGUI is precisely that it automatically updates everything. You can't have valid and accurate guides if the software keeps changing. Also it is very dangerous because if you let it update certain things like dgindex, it can break your current amv projects.

Thanks for mentioning the problem with directshowsource. That's an unexpected consequence due to the way I did things. I will fix that in the next version, and I will fix the problem with the sexmemorymax too.

For your avisynth script that you load into Zarx264GUI, can you try adding
KillAudio()
to the script and then try it? I suspect there is a problem with the audio in your file and this is causing it to crash. If that is the case I can add in some more robust error checking for the audio.
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Postby shishlik » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:07 pm

huh.. "KillAudio()" did the trick. Now I feel stupid I didn't think of that :P I just thought it was supposed to work with the audio without cinsiderinjg failure. Thanks.

About MeGUI again, wouldn't it be possible though to make it not update by default instead? or maybe that is impossible...
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Postby Corran » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:40 pm

Doom9 specifically says that beta versions of Avisynth are not supported so your error may be a result of the version of avisynth that the amvapp installs.

Megui has only been causing problems for me on Vista and I think most of it is to blame on the fact that the security on vista is tighter. Programs are confined to their program directory (They can't modify another program's files) unless the program has administrative privileges. Even when I gave megui admin rights, the megui update tool failed in updating megui and actually deleted the megui executable. -_-

For the amvapp I think the zarx264gui is the perfect addition to the amv app. Most of the avisynth scripting sections are already complex for normal users so keeping things simple for the encoding process is a good idea. If a user has enough savvy and interest to fine tune their x264 encoding then they should be willing and capable to generate and modify the batch file created by the zarxgui or download and play with 3rd party encoders.
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Postby WC Annihilus » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:51 pm

Just to mention Normalize GUI is no longer on the doom9 page (either that, or I'm blind). This is the direct dl link if you feel it should still be in there
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Postby elvirasweeney » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:51 am

I have taken a peek at the guide itself. Mostly I've just followed the video tutorials.

I must give some background here. I am a Mac user primarily, so I've been following the guide on ishtori.net. (Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous! I cannot say enough kind words about the people who put out this guide.) I've read through much of the previous (Windows-based) guide and found it very interesting, though for obvious reasons I couldn't really use the methods described on my Mac.

Anyway, I thought I'd follow along with these video tutorials, just out of curiosity. I installed the beta software on an old "backup" PC. (Newer PC needs repairs.) Backup PC is a Pentium III with a 1 GHz CPU, 256 MB RAM, Windows 2000. The AMVapp installed seamlessly.

I followed the instructions in the video tutorials, to the letter. I thought it was very clear and easy to understand. Perhaps it's because I have some previous understanding of some of these principles (having followed the Mac guide), but I found everything very straightforward and well-explained. I was able to successfully make some footage which imported into Ulead VideoStudio (one of the NLEs I have on the PC). This was footage that has been giving me trouble for a while now. Weird interlacing problems (won't bother you with the details). Yet after running it through VirtualDubMod, it looks FANTASTIC.

In summary, LOVE your video tutorials. LOVE them! They are just the thing. I believe they make the Guide's learning curve so much less steep. I really think they'll make a HUGE difference, especially for newbies. Once someone sees how fabulous their imported footage looks in their NLE of choice, their motivation to learn the rest of the guide will be far greater.
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Postby Zarxrax » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:50 pm

Thanks for the kind words Elvira :) I'm glad that everything apparently worked out like I had intended for it to.

@WC Annihilus: Hmmm, I should probably just get rid of any mention of that tool from the guide altogether, because there already exist tools in amvapp which can normalize the audio, which would make things more streamlined.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:15 pm

I'm getting the same Zarx264gui errors as Corran with 64 bit XP. Any fixes? Or is this an inherent difference in the versions of windows? I could always run my encodes on my other system for distro, but it's nice to have everything set up on one system.
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Postby Zarxrax » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:36 pm

Well I am unable to test on vista 64-bit as I don't have access to a 64-bit processor. I will check into it and see if I can figure anything out though.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:42 pm

Zarxrax wrote:Well I am unable to test on vista 64-bit as I don't have access to a 64-bit processor. I will check into it and see if I can figure anything out though.


If you need anyone to do any testing on 64bit windows, I'd be up to it. Just drop me a message on AIM.
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