The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...

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Postby KagatoAMV » Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:00 am

Here are a few things I "expect" as an AMV creator:

1) My videos are judged impartially at contests.
2) I get to see the contest if I attend the convention.
3) No one else claims my video as their own work.

Thats it really. If I ever come across as expecting anything else, it has to be due to fatigue. My only claim to fame is implanting "Hubba Hubba Zoot Zoot" into the minds of many a AMV watcher, and thats pretty much run itself into the ground. ;)
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Postby BogoSort » Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:05 am

TommyRude wrote:Blah blah blah...
(Sorry t'everyone else, but homeboy here struck a nerve wit his last stroke of uber-BS.)


You know, I mentioned many times for people to ignore me. With a name like BogoSort, I'd assume that everyone should. I give up talking to you, there's no sense in arguing with someone when their rebuttals are just plain telling me that I'm flatout wrong when they don't actually understand the point that I'm trying to make or attacking my character. I'm obviously not doing a good enough job in selecting people to debate against. I for one have better things to do with my time than to argue with you any further.
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Postby nailz » Thu Oct 10, 2002 11:33 am

Yep, I agree with AD - when you get together with people IRL, you cant have an ego or critisize someone's work to their face because they can probably kick your ass. 8) :lol: :D
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Postby Koopiskeva » Thu Oct 10, 2002 11:33 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:The same thing is repeated over an over in other places. The way things work online are so very different to the way things are at conventions and it's a real shame. I can understand being annoyed at this, I get annoyed too, but I'm encouraged by the fact that it's not like this in reality.



I don't want to sound all cynical, but the truth is, what we say online actually holds more truth than what we say in 'reality' so to speak. When a person speaks to someone in real life, most try to show respect and don't try to show what they are really thinking. Most are afraid of the consequences of disrecpecting others that they have just recently met. It's easy to brush someone off that you don't know, but once you meet them, confrontation is usually something most people try to avoid. That's what makes it so easy to vent and disrespect people online, we don't have to deal with anyone face to face. Sure it may escalate to that point one of these days, but the possiblity of it happeneing is pretty slim.

Basically, what I'm saying is that at cons and such, we try to respect people by hiding our true feelings. I'm not saying that we're all secretly out there thinking that we are better than one person or another, I'm saying that in general, people hide what they really feel about a subject in order to keep order in the community. When we get back to our own little corners though, we feel much more comfortable and able to dispense our thoughts without really thinking about the consequences since we think we are safe from the rebuttles of others. Online, we can choose to ignore the things we don't want to hear and select those that appeal to what we believe in. When confronted however, we have to deal with the conseqeunces of our actions and beliefs. We are all hiding something.

So, in conclusion, this 'reality' that you speak of is a combination of the way we present ourselves in real life and the way we present ourselves online. It really isn't as peaceful as you believe it to be AD.
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Postby Fluxmeister » Thu Oct 10, 2002 11:58 am

Not many people think about how they come across online. It's a place where you can say and do what you please... but having things written in pixels sure doesn't show much emotion... or the exact opposite WAY too much. I have probably misinterpreted a lot of people in the last 2 years... because it is really hard to judge 'text' as opposed to voice. You can say "I wanna kill you" and make it fluffy and happy.

As for the elite bit... don't misinterpret 'friends' with being elites. At cons, who are you more likely to spend time with? Your friends, people you recognize/know/trust, or random amv creator #6879? (same with online... I don't really seek out someone unless I want to ask/say something)

At AWA I made it a point to at least meet everyone and share a couple words, or congratulate them on any awards or efforts. But generally I found myself with my friends more than otherwise.

I am no jesus, I have no jesus christ pose... I have never won any best of show awards... I enjoy a good amv... ...making them... and now finally meeting and spending time with other editors! No one was too high and mighty to speak with me.

...well...

I kept trying to meet that mexicanjunior guy to give him my remake svcd of asuka's last stand but he kept giving me the cold shoulder... so I guess some people are 1337's. Don't make me go Big Wars on you MJ!!! :wink: :wink:
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Postby SpPANDA » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:00 pm

FirestormXIII wrote:Dead bodies...everywhere... 8)


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Postby Paul Kievits » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:06 pm

lol@klinky ... sorry to go off topic that was just hilarious. Continue...
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:12 pm

Fluxmeister wrote:I am no jesus, I have no jesus christ pose...


You've got the beard so I guess you're half way there :)
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:19 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:I don't want to sound all cynical, but the truth is, what we say online actually holds more truth than what we say in 'reality' so to speak. When a person speaks to someone in real life, most try to show respect and don't try to show what they are really thinking.


That sounds correct in theory but in practice it doesn't hold true. I've thought bad things about people based on what I've seen online and then met them to realise that I was just misinterpreting them. It's not about showing respect, it's about actually understanding them. I think this is a key issue. What we say can easily be misconstrued but when you meet someone in real life it is much easier to judge their character.

I can honestly say that there are people on this forum I didn't think I'd get on with in real life (I'd made snap judgements) but that completely wasn't the case. It's easy to make presumptions about people online but seriously all of my presumptions about people were shattered, for the most part. That's the way it really happens.

The idea about being more truthful in what you say and do online isn't right. Online you are more able to make judgements without understanding the person's perspective. 1's and 0's are terrible at expression.
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Postby Kusoyaro » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:21 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:I don't want to sound all cynical, but the truth is, what we say online actually holds more truth than what we say in 'reality' so to speak. When a person speaks to someone in real life, most try to show respect and don't try to show what they are really thinking.


I can honestly say that there are people on this forum I didn't think I'd get on with in real life (I'd made snap judgements) but that completely wasn't the case. It's easy to make presumptions about people online but seriously all of my presumptions about people were shattered, for the most part. That's the way it really happens.

Case in point: I was ready to rip out AD's jugular at AWA because I thought he was a complete tool online. But then he sat down and offered me a single malt, so all was good.


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Postby The Wired Knight » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:25 pm

Generally I agree with you Panda. Although I consider the AMV community as a whole generally well behaved, we have our exceptions. What blocks the mind with the newbies is that the FAQ is frequently ignored as well as the other threads regarding it and it gets tiresome to everyone to keep pointing them out. Imagine if you were in a museum and EVERYBODY came and asked you where the bathroom was even though it was clearly marked when they came in, granted it's an honest question but eventually you get sick and tired of answering it.

Con privalages I haven't seen TOO many problems with, if I enter a con all I want is preferred seating because I contributed to the contest and put in hours of work for it, that's all I feel I deserve (well along with a fair judging but I think that's a given for any con). I don't gripe that much about my videos not making it, frankly I don't care so much, I send to cons really as only an effort to get my videos out there and little else. There are other cons so there are other oppertunities.

Opinions on videos amongst people here is a different matter. There is a fline line between disliking a video and recognizing its merits. There are those who ignore this line. Sure I don't like Triengel by Nightowl but I'm willing to admit that it is a good video, I just don't like it personally. Even if I LOATHE a video I will recognize its merits where they are present. However we do have members who completely ignore those merits and label a video as terrible simply because it wasn't to their tastes. I find this rude and horribly unproffesional.

Now I don't feel there is an elitist problem around here. Yes we have some people with bigger egos than others, but a lot of the time those who accuse this place as possessing an existing heirarchy have a large ego themselves. We don't have people here imposing anything on anyone else and I haven't seen anyone's volition infringed upon as long as I've been a member of this board. So as far as the ruling class goes I stick by saying that it is non-existant.

Tommy I apologize now but I have to bring up your project because it's the best example I've got for what I'm saying. Ok, the response to Tommy's project was a mixed one. Yes he was continually discouraged (myself included) and people told him not to do it. But there were another of reasons for this, one he didn't realize just how hard he would have to work to carry it and two doing another DDR project would prove problematic. Problematic because it creates a conflict of interest between projects which are nearly identical. Now I'm not going into the rights to the project because I feel that's irrelivant for the moment. Fact of the matter is that the existance of a second DDR project causes the two to compete right off the bat. Even if Tommy's intentions were entirley benign it was problematic to have a second DDR project existing due to the creators themselves being divided amongst them and as said, one guy was left stranded after starting work on the video and then it got shut down.

Ok I've said my peace, I'll check back later.
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Postby SpPANDA » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:55 pm

i work at a hotel. people ask me the same questions all the time. not once have i ever gotten impatient with somebody. and not everyone knows where the guides are on the site. i sure as hell didn't.

i've met creators before. and alot of them were really cool. and alot of them were too into themselves to even say hi.

i've even been emailed by other AMV artist telling me how much of a joke I am. and that i'm nothing.

i've also read it in reviews of my videos.

from my own experiences, AMV editors are jack asses. and i'm sure people think i'm one as well.

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Postby Hitori » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:01 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:Opinions on videos amongst people here is a different matter. There is a fline line between disliking a video and recognizing its merits. There are those who ignore this line. Sure I don't like Triengel by Nightowl but I'm willing to admit that it is a good video, I just don't like it personally. Even if I LOATHE a video I will recognize its merits where they are present. However we do have members who completely ignore those merits and label a video as terrible simply because it wasn't to their tastes. I find this rude and horribly unproffesional.

True true!!

We need more progress with video creation and not put down the creator because we didn't like it. It's the technical side that helps out not the personal opinion part. If there is a need for improvement, point it out. That will help the creator in turn, work with their next video with that much more thought about it. I think the whole points system on each technical aspect of the video needs to just disappear except for something like the overall score. It's really hard to just score something on each of those aspects and doesn't really help the creator out at all in my opinion. We just need to talk about the Good/Bad/Overall look of the video and go from there. We all need to really work together and everything! Make Love not War! :roll:

*These were based my opinions and nothing else. If there is something wrong with my thoughts on this matter, don't take it personal because it's just an opinion and not the facts!*
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Postby Machine » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:04 pm

I have three words to say to this entire thread.....


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Weekend

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We're not what you think....

Not all of us.... 8)
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Postby Hitori » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:05 pm

And I do plan on going next year to meet all of you!!!

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