The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...

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Postby TommyRude » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:23 am

What you're doing is akin to releasing your own Street Fighter 5 or DDR 10th mix,


Not so. The project had a different title an' neva' claimed to be the real deal. Again yo, y'neva pay attention.

An' is' not really a sense of injustice, so much as sittin' back an' saying to myself "Now who in the blue hell are they to say what we can an' can't or should an' shouldn't make videos outta?"
To anyone who realizes that there really are no limits to what we do, it seems really egotistical on their part.
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Postby FurryCurry » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:32 am

TommyRude wrote:
What you're doing is akin to releasing your own Street Fighter 5 or DDR 10th mix,


Not so. The project had a different title an' neva' claimed to be the real deal. Again yo, y'neva pay attention.

An' is' not really a sense of injustice, so much as sittin' back an' saying to myself "Now who in the blue hell are they to say what we can an' can't or should an' shouldn't make videos outta?"
To anyone who realizes that there really are no limits to what we do, it seems really egotistical on their part.


Tommy, you're a really one of a kind guy. if you could just relax, and kick back, have a cigar, or joint with me or someone, it would all be good.

We like you. Really. Just mellow out, dude. put on your shinji shades, and just laugh out loud at the whole anime culture, while holding your middle finger in the air and chugging a beer

I SWEAR it'll all be a breeze after that.
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Postby BogoSort » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:46 am

TommyRude wrote:
What you're doing is akin to releasing your own Street Fighter 5 or DDR 10th mix,


Not so. The project had a different title an' neva' claimed to be the real deal. Again yo, y'neva pay attention.

An' is' not really a sense of injustice, so much as sittin' back an' saying to myself "Now who in the blue hell are they to say what we can an' can't or should an' shouldn't make videos outta?"
To anyone who realizes that there really are no limits to what we do, it seems really egotistical on their part.


I'd argue that it was you who wasn't paying attention. Calm down, take a deep breath and think for a bit. My point was that you were taking the exact idea, changing the name a little, and announcing it as its' own project. I'd argue that the title DDR Project Take 2 isn't really a new name, and makes no attempt at saying that this wouldn't be a version of the DDR amv that was organized by the same people.

There's a distinct difference between videos that we can make and videos that we should make. I certainly can make any video idea that comes to mind, even if it's a rip off of someone else's video. Now whether or not I should make this video is a completely different matter. I personally think that there are plenty of potential video ideas out there that one can make. And as a gesture of respect to someone(anyone) who makes a video, one should avoid making a video to the same idea, and move onto another idea that isn't a rip off. Course this is just my opinion on the matter.
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Postby Ikasu » Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:26 am

dude....That was good reading...I didn't read any of the reviews since I wanted to post but that has changed my entire view on amv's a bit...I didn't think myself higher or anything like that but when I read that it somewhat made me felt tingly inside...hahaah....=P
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Postby TommyRude » Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:47 am

Bog', how could I not be payin' attention? I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT YOU FREAKING IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDIOT!
NO I did NOT try to present it as an' official' DDR project. Get your info straight, or betta' yet, READ SOME OF THE FUCKING CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE PUBLIC AT THE TIME. Sheesh. Now y'jus pissin me off, cuz you' trying to tell ME how I did things. You were nowhere to be found when it went down, so why the fuck are you even talkin about it now? If Hsien wants to comment on how he saw shit, great. At least he was around for some of it. YOU are jus' some random forum goer who wants to suck some fanboy cock because he can't BARE the thought of someone tryin' to DO SOMETHING worthwhile in this fuckin stale-ass comunity.
Listen VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY carefully. I rebutted one of your comments, an' you responded by telling me what I did or was planning. Think about it, does that make a fuck of sense to you? If it does, then I pray they invent time travel some day so I can kick your mom in the stomack about 4 months before you were born because fuckin little wannabe Jonhy Cockren bitches like you are somethin' this world does NOT need more of.

(Sorry t'everyone else, but homeboy here struck a nerve wit his last stroke of uber-BS.)
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Postby FurryCurry » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:06 am

TommyRude wrote:WANK WANK WANK WANK........


Damn. I thought you were rude and out of line at AX this year, but I really had no idea how bad the situation was.

please, tell us all what cons you plan to attend in 2003, sooner or later, you need a "traditional" education, that will allow you to adjust to your status apropriately. ;)

There's nothing wrong with you a good beatdown wouldn't fix, tommy. you need to learn to show some respect.

I'm not impressed by your size, I'm just as big. I'm not impressed by your martial skills, from what I've seen.

I believe you know better, so grow up, kiddo.
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Postby klinky » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:58 am

The only reason I started making AMVs is becuase MJ & Machine said that there were free hookers for all AMV creators @ AWA. I've yet to partake of the free hookers @ AWA since I've yet to go there, but I need a video to be able to enter.


As for the newbies. The problem with the "who do you mak a musiv vide!?" question is that the person showed their ability to break every rule in the english dictionary. Basically it states, I can't even write a simple sentance out, yet I want you to tell me how to do advanced video editing techniques. :roll:

The ones that ask nicely I give them some pointers and there are a couple guides out there on how to start making AMVs. So I TRY to be nice. The only time I feel like flaming people is if they get bitchy or if they try to give out mis-information.



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Postby Paul Kievits » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:30 am

klinky wrote:...I can't even write a simple sentance out...


It's sentence ;)
Get my 5th video "Mass Murderer": here
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Postby Nappy » Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:33 am

We can't be elite AMV creators till we sell our own clothing line it seems hehe, but seriously I though it was a joke at 1st o_O I think it might be fun to have ur own stuff but this seems like as close as amv creators can get to selling out.
Upon further inpection it seems to be free to make a shop since they just print the logo on junk, but still..... seems like it's one more reason most conventions take out titles and logos. Since it seems cheap to do I might get something for myself/friends with a big ol =l face but I'm not gonna post it on the org's members page.

It's shameful AD :P
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Postby klinky » Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:48 am

Vegeta for president wrote:
klinky wrote:...I can't even write a simple sentance out...


It's sentence ;)



That's IT! You're on my list!

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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:23 am

I know this is very late to be posting this but...


SpPANDA... in the real world, what you are saying just isn't true. If you'd gone to AWA and met all the amv creators there you'd have discovered that there was no egotism, no bragging, no fighting, no criticism. There was an abundance of mutual respect for ALL amv creators.

Now, of course, online things look a little different. Online people can be morons without worrying about it too much, and frequently they are. A lot of the personal respect doesn't exist essentially because some people just don't care or because it's easy to jump to the wrong conclusions.

I'm not talking about the main creators though, I'm talking about the ones who haven't met the people they are talking to in public. There used to be a big Machine vs ErMaC rivalry which which completely abolished when they met each other. Online you get such a skewed perspective of what people are like.

Recently things have been made worse by the spiteful opinions of those who are just here fo the Off Topic forums, and this makes it seem much worse than it is. As an actual community, the amv one is a pretty good one - really - with everyone pulling together and encouraging each other's work. Online, it's tainted by a lack of respect.

I was really annoyed seeing Mag Launcher have a tirade about effects in videos in the thread advertising Mike and Meri's ddr video. They worked so hard to get that video done in the short amount of time they were given (as backup editors) and the attack didnt take any of that into consideration and criticised everyone else who were congratulating the two for doing such a good job.

The same thing is repeated over an over in other places. The way things work online are so very different to the way things are at conventions and it's a real shame. I can understand being annoyed at this, I get annoyed too, but I'm encouraged by the fact that it's not like this in reality.
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Postby SpPANDA » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:05 am

maybe it's me...
i've been to a few cons including AX...

i've yet to be proven wrong.
i await the day i am.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:20 am

SpPANDA wrote:maybe it's me...
i've been to a few cons including AX...


I think AX is possibly the worst example of how things are, from what I was told by other creators.
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Postby Kusoyaro » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:21 am

TommyRude wrote:According to ermac, the DDR group claims exclusive rights to make AMVs to all the mixes. ALL of them. They are booking this crap up to 5 years in advance!

I don't feel like getting into this argument, but I just want to clear something up. With all due respect to ErMaC, he has been on the project for only one year, and as a backup editor -- none of the organizers have said ANYTHING about claiming "exclusive rights" to the mixes. I think he was stating his own opinion, which, unfortunately, was incorrect. Quu and I had even been talking at Otakon, way before any of this shit went down, about doing up to 6th Mix and then stopping, and if someone else wants to pick it up after that, then good for them. There's even a private DDR project going on now using a completely different mix, and no one has any problem with it.

My primary concern has always editors such as Omnistrata (who I am NOT claiming to be better than, just so we get that cleared up right now), who started their 5th Mix tracks, but were then left without a project. I'm just glad it didn't drag on so long that he actually FINISHED his track, and had nowhere to send it. Because if he tried to send it to us, it would be unfair to turn him away, but it would also be unfair if we accepted him, since an editor who had worked hard for 3 years on our project might have wanted that track. I've stated this before, but people don't seem to be listening or understanding. If Kevin Caldwell himself had risen from the "dead" and wanted to start his own 5th Mix project, I would have told him the exact same thing. (sorry, I think he was good, but not a "god," but since many of you DO think of him that way, I thought it'd be a good contrasting example)

I don't particularly agree with what Spamda said, especially since I think 95% of my videos are utter crap and the other 5% are "okay," but I just don't feel like getting into that argument at this moment.

Ninja DJ Hsien, signing off.
I have no idea how to use this new forum.
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Postby FirestormXIII » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:24 am

Dead bodies...everywhere... 8)
Everyone is not the same as you.
Get over it.
And lighten up.
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