Do you people know a decoder for a h264 avi files?

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Postby Gepetto » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:13 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:Ugh, we need an easy linkable comprehensive 'How to edit with downloaded stuff' guide. I mean, the actual tactics to do it arn't that hard, it's easier than using DVD footage even.


For some reason, the admins still want us to keep a clean legal facade going here so we can't really have that on the org. However I bet there's a guide somewhere out there just waiting to be TinyURL'd and put on my signature space instead of this stupid binary junk.
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:15 pm

We don't have to say 'Downloaded'. We just have to say how to use XviD/DivX/h.264/WMV/Whatever as source and not speak about where it CAME from. Just how to get it editing happily in Premiere and other programs.

It can mostly all be done wit AVISynth and VirtualDubMod anyway.
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Postby Gepetto » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:18 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:We don't have to say 'Downloaded'. We just have to say how to use XviD/DivX/h.264/WMV/Whatever as source and not speak about where it CAME from. Just how to get it editing happily in Premiere and other programs.

It can mostly all be done wit AVISynth and VirtualDubMod anyway.


This is where the storm of fire and sulfur comes in, right?

It is pretty easy, though, especially when compared to the mess of deinterlacing PAL footage. And if you don't care about pre-processing, even VirtualDub is unnecessary. DirectShowSource() alone does the trick of loading int editors without mayhem.
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:28 pm

Gepetto wrote:It is pretty easy, though, especially when compared to the mess of deinterlacing PAL footage. And if you don't care about pre-processing, even VirtualDub is unnecessary. DirectShowSource() alone does the trick of loading int editors without mayhem.


I've always found that uncomfortably laggy. For XviD and DivX source, I just used VirtualDub straight up and I exported 5-30 second long segments to Huffy and later Lagarith for easy editing in Premiere. It had the advantage of still being hard drive efficent and I just personally found seeking in Vdub easier than in Premiere for large lengths of video. But that last part is just personal taste.

h.264 came out and it's as easy as using the VirtualDubMod DirectShowSource templete to get in and to export segments to lossless. And some of these h.264 files you can get are as good as DVD, sometimes a lot better if you considder that some R1's are aweful or just bad transfers. No inverse telecine because it's done for you. No filtering, it's done for you.

Let's face it, most of the noobs arn't going to be using DVDs and using DVD footage right isn't a simple thing to teach, especially when someone doesn't have a general knowledge of computer video.

The current state of things is a lot of fansubs being used in WMM with DivX logos in the corners and subtitles at the bottom while confused people ask on the forums every day 'How do I shot h.264???' The answer to the question is easy but no one's done anything to make the answer accessable. Instead we tell them to 'Read the guide!' like a lame priest saying 'Just look in the good book' so he doesn't have to do any real work. I don't think they necessarily need to be taught color spaces and frame rates first off when what they should be learning first is 'How to composte your video' not 'Advanced Placement DVD Ripping' which is what the guide basicly is.
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Postby Gepetto » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:19 am

I agrre with every word, except the comments on the DirectShow metrhod. Laggy, sure. But a person with little hard drive space (low total or too much stuff on disk) won't be too comfortable with the Lagarith/HuffYUV/MJPEG Lossles method.

If someone wants to try making their first video, they should just be able to pop up whatever file into the editor they have and play around with them, or they'll be disencouraged by the apparent complexity of the thing from day 1. When I did my first one in Premiere, it took me a week to figure out that it was 2GB big because I didn't compres it myself. Then I asked here and someone directed me to a very sucint "XviD for Dummies" kind page. But that hapens less than always. Instead, we tell them to install AviSynth and run a bunch of test scripts, and direct them to guides that are way over their heads. Then when the videos are done and they show us, most people will throw mud at their faces instead of giving constructive critic, resulting in this same critic being mixed up with the insults and lost.

But I do see a tendency among the newer users to look for beter quality footage, even if they still stay in the realm of fansubs. Surely you too have noted that questions about how to use .rm and .rmvb files have practically disappeared around the .org, and I haven't seen them much elsewhere either. So I think the trick to "teaching" them how to go for the DVD footage is to wait until they decide on their own that they want a better image quality.

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This is a little off-topic but it's a productive discussion. Maybe someone will do us the courtesy of splitting this thread?
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Postby Gepetto » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:23 am

D'oh! Typo on the first sentence! Sorry for that, I hit "post" instead of "preview".
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Postby Hero2u0 » Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:55 am

? But Divx and Xivd files are use ALOT! So the next time I'm encoding something for a editer, I sould use lossless code right?
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Postby elvirasweeney » Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:12 am

Gepetto wrote:Then I asked here and someone directed me to a very sucint "XviD for Dummies" kind page. But that hapens less than always. Instead, we tell them to install AviSynth and run a bunch of test scripts, and direct them to guides that are way over their heads.

Yes, there is truth in this.

First, you get people hooked on the idea of makng videos. Give them a "Dummies" guide with better (but not necessarily best) techniques that are newbie-friendly. When they tackle that, then they'll be ready to move on to more.
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Postby Willen » Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:04 am

Hero2u0 wrote:? But Divx and Xivd files are use ALOT! So the next time I'm encoding something for a editer, I sould use lossless code right?

For the best quality and fewest problems, yes.
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Postby Gepetto » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:49 am

elvirasweeney wrote:First, you get people hooked on the idea of makng videos. Give them a "Dummies" guide with better (but not necessarily best) techniques that are newbie-friendly. When they tackle that, then they'll be ready to move on to more.


Agreed.
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Postby Hero2u0 » Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:32 am

Alright! Thank you people!!! And end the post has end! (unless you want to spam this, then that ok.) :D
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