DvD Decryter, DGIndex, and AVS

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DvD Decryter, DGIndex, and AVS

Postby Osakaisthebomb » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:22 pm

I've been trying to use DVD Decrypter for the past two days. I've been told I am to use it, then run the file through DGIndex, and then convert the file to an AVS (Which I know mostly how to do) and that's how I get the video to work on my editor.

I run into nothing but brick wall after brick wall. So I ask just one question. How do I use DVD Decrypter and get the files to work in my editor?

WARNING!!!! I'm going to be asking alot of questions throught out this whole thing.
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Postby Minion » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:42 pm

alright, assuming your using the AMVapp versions of everything, heres exactly what you do

cheap way that newbies use:
open VOB files in vdub, add a deinterlace filter, set compression to lagarith, save as AVI.

the non-newbie way:

rip the files in dvd decrypter.

load an episode into dgindex. or at least i suggest 1 episode at a time. otherwise you'll have to scrub through alot of footage to find what you want.

save as a dv2 project


doing so, should produce an avisynth file (.AVS), as well as a .dv2 file.

open that .AVS in notepad. at this point, i suggest you go read an avisynth tutorial, but for the sake of a quick explaination, paste this:

loadplugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("filename.d2v")
Telecide(order=1,post=2,blend=false,vthresh=30,back=1)
Decimate(cycle=5,mode=3,quality=3)


of course, replace filename.dv2 with whatever you dv2 is called.

this script uses a method of deinterlacing footage.


now save.





from here, theres 2 options. if your editor supports .avs, your done. load up the .avs and your set.


if not, open the .avs in vdubmod. goto video>compression, and set it to lagarith (or huffy, if thats your preference).
then save as an AVI
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Postby Osakaisthebomb » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:13 pm

Minion wrote:doing so, should produce an avisynth file (.AVS), as well as a .dv2 file.



It did not produce a avisynth file.
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Postby Osakaisthebomb » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:15 pm

also is the newbie way just as good as the none newbie way?
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Postby Minion » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:22 pm

if it does not product an avs file, then open notepad, paste the script, and save it as filename.avs
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Postby Up In Flamez » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:49 am

Osakaisthebomb wrote:also is the newbie way just as good as the none newbie way?


well i dunno if this happens with other people but, when i put in the vob file into vdm and add a deinterlace filter it looks very blurry compared to if i use avisynth

Also if you choose the newbie way you will have to make a video file of it everytime or you could just import a avs file with all the deinterlace settings in it
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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:37 am

Minion wrote:cheap way that newbies use:
open VOB files in vdub, add a deinterlace filter, set compression to lagarith, save as AVI.
I can't recommend that at all. VDM doesn't seem to obey the pulldown flag. Since thew majority of anime mixes NTSC and FILM it screws the framerate, speeding up the FILM sequences and in case of IVTC it makes them jumpy.
uP|iN|fLaM3z wrote:well i dunno if this happens with other people but, when i put in the vob file into vdm and add a deinterlace filter it looks very blurry compared to if i use avisynth
It depends much on the deinterlacer you choose and the settings you make. You can get similar results like with AVISynth - if you know what you're doing. But I don't recommend it for anime - see above.
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Postby Qyot27 » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:23 am

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:
Minion wrote:cheap way that newbies use:
open VOB files in vdub, add a deinterlace filter, set compression to lagarith, save as AVI.
I can't recommend that at all. VDM doesn't seem to obey the pulldown flag. Since thew majority of anime mixes NTSC and FILM it screws the framerate, speeding up the FILM sequences and in case of IVTC it makes them jumpy.

If the video has a flag set, VDub will ignore it - and output video that's effectively Force Film'd. Not that I recommend that, but yeah. VDub does have an IVTC filter, but I can't really recommend that in good conscience either.

The problem is that most R1 anime releases don't have such a flag set for VDub to ignore - they mostly are hybrid DVDs which have to be IVTC'd by the user, hence Telecide/Decimate or TFM/TDecimate operations. Japanese R2s tend to have more releases with the flag set - I've noticed quite a few myself that have it, including but certainly not limited to the Eva Renewal movie discs. Sometimes there's a false positive, though - Haruhi, for instance, has the flag during the main section of the episode and for the most part I'd assume it's clean, but there are spots where interlacing artifacts pop up (quite noticible ones, too).
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Postby Osakaisthebomb » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:42 pm

none of this is really helping me here. So lets try this.

First tell me every little setting there is with the dvd decrypter and then tell me how to get the best quality out of it. (EX. do I use file mode or do I use IFO I mode? how do I get the copy from doing that wierd playing both enlish and japanese at the same time thing? Do I enable stream processing? )

explain it to me like I'm a absolute newbie cause in a way I am.
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Postby Krisqo » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:06 pm

You don't need to touch any settings in DVD decryptor to get the DVD ripped.

The dual sound and flickering video source is caused from the program ripping both video streams at the same time and meshing them into one VOB file. Easiest way around it... Go to Mode and select IFO.

You when you find the main body of the footage (usually selected) there may be two video streams below it. Make sure you pick one of them or you will have the switching audio.

Most new DVDs have each episode in it's own VTS so you will have to weed them out. Try looking at the length of the PCG and if it's around 23-25 mins, it's likely an episode.

When you have the file selected, click the folder in the destination box and choose where you want the thing to go. Then click the big DVD->HardDrive button and you're ripping away.
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Postby Kariudo » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:34 pm

because most new dvds have each episode in a different vob, you may find it easier to use file mode instead.
with file mode you can select multiple vobs to rip (in ifo mode you can only go one at a time. Personally I like to set it and forget it until it's done of course)
if you use file mode, look for files that are ~1GB in size

the only drawback is that you can get some wierd side-effects if your dvd has multiple angles (when you're looking through the footage in vdub(/mod) using avisynth it'l look like a few frames play, then repeat themselves a few times.)
in which case you need to re-rip the vobs one by one in ifo mode
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Postby Osakaisthebomb » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:58 pm

Okay the decrypter is out of the way. Now onto virtual dub. So does the video need any filters on which in virtual dub? Or will the quality stay good (or get better)?
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Postby Kariudo » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:33 pm

well...according to EADFAG, you should index the vobs with DGIndex
(I can't recall exactly why at the moment...)

then you can use avisynth to clean up the footage (avisynth is often better than vdub at cleaning footage)

...or you could just open the vobs with vdubmod (vdub can't import mpeg2 streams).
whatever you do, it is probably a good idea to de-interlace your footage (unless you got lucky and got dvds with progressive footage)
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Postby Osakaisthebomb » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:12 am

Kariudo wrote:well...according to EADFAG, you should index the vobs with DGIndex
(I can't recall exactly why at the moment...)

then you can use avisynth to clean up the footage (avisynth is often better than vdub at cleaning footage)



well there is my problem. I was told to use DGIndex to be able to make AVS files but it doesn't seem to work. 1st dgindex doesn't make a avs no matter what I do. 2nd everytime I try to make it myself it will not open in virtual dub or my editor program. (avs I make from videos made in the editor work fine)
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Postby Minion » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:20 am

Kariudo wrote:because most new dvds have each episode in a different vob, you may find it easier to use file mode instead.

x2. just holds crtl, select which ones you want, and rip.
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