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Postby Gepetto » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:41 am

downwithpants wrote:my guess is that music industry lawyers are more likely to react than anime industry lawyers because we use entire songs, but only small samples of anime episodes, giving us a better shot at a fair use defense against anime industry than against music industry.


And on practical terms, you can extract music from an AMV to sell bootleg CDs, since most AMVs use full versions of music. That means less profit for the music industry. But the same, obviously, cannot be done with the video portion of an AMV.
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Postby outlawed » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:17 pm

We should go out with a bang imo. Delete all DBZ, Naruto,Eva, Cowboy Bebop, and any popular show in the USA AMVs. Only host stuff that is pr0n, esoteric, or greater than 10 years old.

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Postby Scintilla » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:43 pm

Gepetto wrote:
downwithpants wrote:my guess is that music industry lawyers are more likely to react than anime industry lawyers because we use entire songs, but only small samples of anime episodes, giving us a better shot at a fair use defense against anime industry than against music industry.

And on practical terms, you can extract music from an AMV to sell bootleg CDs, since most AMVs use full versions of music. That means less profit for the music industry. But the same, obviously, cannot be done with the video portion of an AMV.

I know it doesn't help our case any, but seriously, practically speaking, why on earth would a bootlegger go through all that trouble when the same audio is almost always much more easily available through who knows how many other channels?
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Postby Gepetto » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:32 pm

For no reason at all. But it's a valid legal argument.

Of course, people can do that for personal use and avoid buying the CDs, which is also a diminisher of corporation profit (even if in an irrisory scale).
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Postby dokool » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:14 pm

Personally I think we need to start a movement to stop the linking of YT-posted AMVs - these days, whenever I see an AMV-related thread about them, they usually have more YT links than 'Org links. If we as a community get the word out, then maybe people will actually listen...
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Postby Beowulf » Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:16 am

A cool thing to come out of all this is if the org dies, the quality of videos will SKY ROCKET since people will have to pay for their own hosting again. The community will also be much smaller but again of a much higher quality since the people who are there will have worked a bit harder to get their.

In essence, the great purge is upon us and I will be one of the saved ones. Everyone whos anyone should come join the HypeO forums before you get lost in obscurity :lol::up:
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Postby SSJVegita0609 » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:30 am

Beowulf wrote:A cool thing to come out of all this is if the org dies, the quality of videos will SKY ROCKET since people will have to pay for their own hosting again. The community will also be much smaller but again of a much higher quality since the people who are there will have worked a bit harder to get their.

In essence, the great purge is upon us and I will be one of the saved ones. Everyone whos anyone should come join the HypeO forums before you get lost in obscurity :lol::up:


No, because people will just put their vids on Youtube :P :twisted:
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Postby SQ » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:56 am

Beowulf wrote:A cool thing to come out of all this is if the org dies, the quality of videos will SKY ROCKET since people will have to pay for their own hosting again. The community will also be much smaller but again of a much higher quality since the people who are there will have worked a bit harder to get their.


I doubt this. Unless you're speaking of 'wuality' in terms of editing, and not video or audio quality.

Before the donut, there were people like me who leeched off free hosting sites, and to be able to do that, we had to have really tiny file sizes.

Not to mention that, while a lot of people were really nice and hosting new noobs' work, you would still feel rather guilty about making the file too big and abusing someone else's bandwidth(Or at least I did).

And of course, if you couldn't pay for a lot of space, you just rotated which AMVs you hosted. I know someone used to host one AMV a week, and it wasn't that large of a file, either.

So quality of editing? Probably will rise. Quality of source? Not so much.
Plus, Vegita's got a point, if we close down, everyone's just going to move to the 'tube.

But, all things aside, if the site is forced to shut down, could we not just go back to cataloging only? I mean, we could even not allow links to videos, just have catalogs. of who created what, where, and when.

Then perhaps the forums could stay, as long as it was "against the rules" the post any of your work on the forums, or anywhere on the site. That way, at least the community could stick together(for a bit, I guess) and maybe skirt by in the clear...

But I am not too familiar with law.

Probably not the best time to bring this up... But I have opposed the donut from the start. Always thought it was a bad idea. I donate to the site for the site and phade and my support of the hobby. Not for the hosting.
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Postby Scintilla » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:09 am

dokool wrote:Personally I think we need to start a movement to stop the linking of YT-posted AMVs - these days, whenever I see an AMV-related thread about them, they usually have more YT links than 'Org links. If we as a community get the word out, then maybe people will actually listen...

What about the people who put their AMVs on Yuu'utsube but not here (they might not even be members here)? I get the impression that we're missing out on a lot of good ones these days (esp. comedies; you may have heard of a certain video about Axel's hips that we don't have). Of course, that means more bandwidth for the rest of us, but you know the website's stated aim...
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Postby dokool » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:38 pm

Scintilla wrote:
dokool wrote:Personally I think we need to start a movement to stop the linking of YT-posted AMVs - these days, whenever I see an AMV-related thread about them, they usually have more YT links than 'Org links. If we as a community get the word out, then maybe people will actually listen...

What about the people who put their AMVs on Yuu'utsube but not here (they might not even be members here)? I get the impression that we're missing out on a lot of good ones these days (esp. comedies; you may have heard of a certain video about Axel's hips that we don't have). Of course, that means more bandwidth for the rest of us, but you know the website's stated aim...


Bring them into the fold, then.

What I suggest is that Phade and/or the community come up with a statement that explains YouTube's significance to AMVs that can be easily digested by the lowest common denominator - aka most anime fans. We then need to find every anime forum and community we can that has an AMV thread/threads/whatever, and post it there. That way, at least we can say we tried.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:01 pm

And if you have to stretch the truth a little bit to get these people on "our" side (saying they will no longer be able to view these AMVs they like so much if the problem continues, etc. etc.) then that's fine. Quite a few of these types of people won't actually listen to reason unless the consequence adversely affects them in some way.
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Postby Gepetto » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:46 pm

Plus, a lie repeated a thousand times becomes true. Just ask Hitler and Stalin.

As for video quality skyrocketing "because people will have to pay for their own hosting", I didn't get that. If they have to pay for their bandwidth wouldn't the most obvious choice for the average editor be aiming for a smaller filezise at the expense of quality?
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Postby Otohiko » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:57 pm

Gepetto wrote:As for video quality skyrocketing "because people will have to pay for their own hosting", I didn't get that. If they have to pay for their bandwidth wouldn't the most obvious choice for the average editor be aiming for a smaller filezise at the expense of quality?


I think Beo meant different quality, as in not video quality but work quality. That does make sense to some extent since that would scare away those who aren't willing to invest more into their AMVs (in this case, investing into hosting).

Unfortunately where Beo's argument doesn't make sense is that with free hosting and video sharing sites like youtube becoming more and more prevalent, it really will NOT be a problem for the casual AMVers. They'll just move on there.

Furthermore there was plenty of videos that sucked back in the pre-.org days. Just that many of us didn't know about them because they were scattered away from any .org-like central authority. But trust me, I've seen those, and they weren't pretty :P
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Postby Gepetto » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:59 pm

Ah, so now it all makes sense. :D
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Postby sprueill » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:28 pm

ok, I don't know much about law, well I do just not copyright law, so i don't have much to imput, at least nothing helpful, but I would just like to make my concern for this issue known and ask if there is anything we can do to save ourselves?
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