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Total newbie question about premiere pro

Postby andyzhang2 » Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:06 am

I've been using Movie Maker, and it seems as if premiere pro does not let you split a large video file, and only lets you trim it.

Is it at all possible to split the video like you can in movie maker to make the clips on your window more specific and managable, or do i need to use another program to split the actual file?

Also, does premiere pro have any really big problem codecs? What happens when you use these problem codecs w/ premiere pro?
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Postby CrackTheSky » Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:09 am

Very few editing programs besides WMM split the clips automatically for you. You'll have to do it yourself, using VirtualDubMod. Read all about it in the EADFAG.

Also, don't use DivX or XviD-encoded clips in any editing programs, because these cause the program to become very unstable, and most likely your clips will show up black or cause the program to crash altogether.
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Postby Purge » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:50 am

use in and out points to select a smaller clip from large clips with premiere not the trimmer.
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Postby gypsy » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:44 am

have you tried using the "cut / splice " tool ?
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Postby andyzhang2 » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:27 pm

well the in and out points can cut a clip down, but it won't change the clip in your media library will it? It'll only edit how long the clip plays for in the timeline. The cut/splice tool or razor or w/e it's called does the same thing i think. It just cuts the clip in your timeline, but it remains the whole clip in your media library.

It would be easier to work w/ files that are whole episodes if you could cut stuff w/ the editor itself, since i'd rather not have to set in and out points for an episode and then just have all the clips in the timeline somewhere, it's kind of messy.

I guess i'd have to use virtualdubmod or something.
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Postby Minion » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:29 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:Very few editing programs besides WMM split the clips automatically for you. You'll have to do it yourself, using VirtualDubMod. Read all about it in the EADFAG.

Also, don't use DivX or XviD-encoded clips in any editing programs


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Postby Minion » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:30 pm

and ya, vdubmod has a batch mode. use that
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Postby Gepetto » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:01 pm

andyzhang2 wrote:well the in and out points can cut a clip down, but it won't change the clip in your media library will it?


no but why would you want to split up your library? Select the in and out points and then drag the preview window into the timeline. Then, only the clip you selected will be added to the timeline. Tis is actually a lot better than WMM's auto-cut, becauseyou choose exactly where to cut, when and how and it's easier to stay organized.

Trust me, when you get used to it, you'll wonder how you didn't kill yourself because of the auto-cut.
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Postby Scintilla » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:19 pm

Gepetto wrote:
andyzhang2 wrote:well the in and out points can cut a clip down, but it won't change the clip in your media library will it?

no but why would you want to split up your library? Select the in and out points and then <b>drag the preview window into the timeline.</b>

Alternatively, click the Overlay button, or just hit ".".

And the In and Out points can be set by hitting I and O, respectively.

(Keyboard shortcuts are a wonderful thing and I wish I knew more of them.)
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Postby andyzhang2 » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:57 am

Tis is actually a lot better than WMM's auto-cut, becauseyou choose exactly where to cut, when and how and it's easier to stay organized.


You can choose where to cut in wmm...you just go to a place you want to cut it and hit the split button. The benefit of this is if you're working with large files that are 30 minutes long, and several of them, you don't have to work by memory or notes as far as the clips you have available for a certain sequence in the movie. You can just select the smaller clip in your media library thing and see if it works.

I guess if you don't cut the files w/ vdubmod first, you'd have to reset the in and out points to a clip of a 30 minute episode every time you wanted to see if it worked, which could become a pain.
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Postby Warpwind » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:13 am

andyzhang2 wrote:
Tis is actually a lot better than WMM's auto-cut, becauseyou choose exactly where to cut, when and how and it's easier to stay organized.


You can choose where to cut in wmm...you just go to a place you want to cut it and hit the split button. The benefit of this is if you're working with large files that are 30 minutes long, and several of them, you don't have to work by memory or notes as far as the clips you have available for a certain sequence in the movie. You can just select the smaller clip in your media library thing and see if it works.

I guess if you don't cut the files w/ vdubmod first, you'd have to reset the in and out points to a clip of a 30 minute episode every time you wanted to see if it worked, which could become a pain.


I'm slightly confused by your words.

You only have to reset the in and out points when you want a new clip of a new section. You'd be doing the same thing in virtual dub anyway. But this way you have more flexibility. The only reason to use vdub first would be if you had space issues on your hard drive.

Whenever I'm editing I tend to use one or two video tracks as dumping grounds where I put all the clips I might use. It means I can see a quick image reminding me what they were.
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Postby Gepetto » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:40 pm

Scintilla wrote:(Keyboard shortcuts are a wonderful thing and I wish I knew more of them.)


I hate them because I don't have a numpad. AE's render shortcut was not made for laptop users... *sigh*


andyzhang2 wrote:The benefit of this is if you're working with large files that are 30 minutes long, and several of them, you don't have to work by memory or notes as far as the clips you have available for a certain sequence in the movie.


Yes, instead you have to remember which clip you want to cut. And you can't choose where to cut in WMM with precision. The timeline goes by seconds, not frames. That means you can't be specific. Plus, if the scene you want happens to have been split apart by the autocut, you now have to go around making a collage for something that should already be together in the first place.
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Postby Purge » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:28 pm

andyzhang2 wrote:
Tis is actually a lot better than WMM's auto-cut, becauseyou choose exactly where to cut, when and how and it's easier to stay organized.


You can choose where to cut in wmm...you just go to a place you want to cut it and hit the split button. The benefit of this is if you're working with large files that are 30 minutes long, and several of them, you don't have to work by memory or notes as far as the clips you have available for a certain sequence in the movie. You can just select the smaller clip in your media library thing and see if it works.


trail and error scene selection? pre-made smaller clips maybe make it easier to do that, its definitly seems to be user friendlier option. but whether it actually easier to just simply skim through a large Clip and selecting the scenes as you go along seems a bit of a stretch to me.
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Postby dowhatnow » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:23 am

I personally found it easier to "skim through" and select my in and out points.

Then again, I've never liked WMM.

Premiere was definitely easier to learn, for me at least.
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Postby bata1wolf » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:49 am

ok i'm new can someone tell me how to make a music video some one from youtube sent me here.
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