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Postby Willen » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:29 am

These file sending sites usually limit the amount of downloads or only host the file temporarily. In the worst case, you'll have to go to a lower resolution or increase the compression (or both) to get it under 100MB for local.

Just for kicks, I tried typing Kanji in Magix MEP10's titler function and it works. I also tried Sony Vegas Movie Studio 6.0 and it works. 本当に!
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Postby dowhatnow » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:50 am

Then, who has the cheapest and largest storage option available? I can't (and for the sake of quality won't) make it any smaller than ~150. I really want to get my vid out there so people can see it and either give praise or cut it down. :roll:
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Postby Kai Stromler » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:59 pm

jonnkakarotto wrote:Then, who has the cheapest and largest storage option available? I can't (and for the sake of quality won't) make it any smaller than ~150.


What codec are you using for audio compression? If you haven't compressed it yet, it'd be easy to go from that ~150MB mark down to ~90 without affecting video quality. If you have compressed the audio, are you trying to distro in HD or something? What aspect ratio are you using? Have you considered h.264? I haven't done anything with it yet, but if I ever got a wild hair about remastering the distro version of the 9:06 video in my catalog, it'd definitely be on the table.

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Postby dowhatnow » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:17 pm

Well, I exported the work area from Premiere and opened it up in VDM. It had the audio attached to it, so I said, "Hey, I'll just cut out an extra step here," and compressed it. I checked the stream info, but wasn't sure if I should delete the one there or demux it and how to go about demuxing.

Even after the second pass with a specified target size of 99.75 MB, it was too large and looked like absolute crap.

I had originally followed the guide by A&E, but when I got to the audio part, I realized I had no idea how to do it.

I'm using BeSweet GUI from the AMVApp 2.1 to compress the audio, if it helps any.

No HD, just original aspect ratio. Not sure of the ratio, but it's 720x480.

I've thought about h.264, but know nothing about it.
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Postby Scintilla » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:23 pm

First thing: 720x480 is never a correct resolution for online distribution.

Most TV sources are normal 4:3 and should be resized to a 4:3 resolution such as 640x480 or 512x384; there's a lot of other, less common possibilities that I don't feel like getting into right now, so info on them can be found <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/onlineaspectratios.html">here</a>.

The other thing is that I was about to suggest a lower resolution for the sake of a smaller filesize without too much of a quality hit, which I suppose is related. If you can't get it looking nice under 100MB at 640x480, then try 512x384?
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Postby dowhatnow » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:36 pm

Honestly, I'd rather not resize at all, but if it's absolutely necessary, I'll make another version of the same video.

Just used the resize calculator. I found some numbers I'm willing to live with, and are as follows:

512x384
576x432
and finally, the good ol' 640x480.

Now, since the file ended up being slightly over 160MB, and A&E's guide recommends between 512- and 640-pixel wide crops, which (of the three, if possible) would be better in terms of both size and overall quality?
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Postby dowhatnow » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:39 pm

Also, about my audio issue. Would I uncheck the box in Premiere labeled "Export Audio" when I do the export?
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Postby Scintilla » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:42 pm

Ach, I forgot something very important: Have you used any <a href="/guides/avtech/avspostqual.html">postprocessing filters</a> on your video? Proper smoothing of the video before compression can greatly improve its quality-to-bitrate ratio.
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Postby dowhatnow » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:46 pm

I didn't, but that's because I didn't think I needed to use any. The source footage was new enough, I thought, that most of the errors would have been corrected at the original DVD post-processing.

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Postby dowhatnow » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:19 pm

Call me crazy, but I honestly think all it needs is some light smoothing and sharpening. Am I wrong in this assumption?
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Postby Scintilla » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:27 pm

I don't have <i>Ghost in the Shell</i>, but I was under the impression that it was a really old print (read: 1995? 96?) that Manga Entertainment did nothing to help on their R1 DVD release of it (as usual for them) and thus needed quite a bit of smoothing work. Incorrect impression?

But anyway, if filesize is an issue, then you should probably skip the sharpening -- it never helps in that regard.

For the rest of us to really be able to tell what needs fixing, you'd have to put up some screenshots or a sample video clip.
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Postby dowhatnow » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:17 pm

Well, I've taken your advice and resized it to 640x480 as well as an mftoon() and a deen("a3d", 4) script in VDM. First pass ended up around 85 MB, and it looked good. I'll shoot for 90 second pass, so you should be viewing it soon.

Thanks to everyone who helped me out on this one.
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Postby Gepetto » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:50 am

Scintilla wrote:I'm pretty sure YouSendIt links expire after a certain amount of time or a certain number of downloads, unless you pay.


They do, as do RapidShare links and many others. I don't think you can get free hosting for a 100MB file. But that shouldn't be a problem for a 7-minute video. AMV Hell 3 is an hour long and it only takes up 700 MB, without looking too ugly.
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Postby Jayn_Newell » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:28 am

Scintilla wrote:I don't have <i>Ghost in the Shell</i>, but I was under the impression that it was a really old print (read: 1995? 96?) that Manga Entertainment did nothing to help on their R1 DVD release of it (as usual for them) and thus needed quite a bit of smoothing work. Incorrect impression?


I'm not expert, but it looks fairly decent to me. The filters I'm using on it are only minor adjustments. It could stand a cropping though, as as is usual there's some black space on the sides that could be removed--this could help get the filesize down too.

Also, GitS is widescreen, so wouldn't 640x480 squish it out of proportion?
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Postby Melanchthon » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:45 am

jonnkakarotto wrote:512x384
576x432
and finally, the good ol' 640x480.

....which (of the three, if possible) would be better in terms of both size and overall quality?

Take the most difficult-to-compress-properly portion of the video and compress it in each of the three sizes. If they all look fine then you can use whichever resolution provides the best filesize.

If you're encoding to XviD and the video isn't action / effects from end to end, then you could use zones to boost the bitrate in the sections that need it. It's mentioned only in passing in the tech guide, but it's easy (if a touch fiddly) to set up.

Jayn_Newell wrote:Also, GitS is widescreen, so wouldn't 640x480 squish it out of proportion?

If it's anamorphic, yes. If it's letterboxed, no.
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