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Postby oldwrench » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:40 pm

If you use SATA hard drives, you need a floppy to install the drivers first before you can install XP.
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Postby Joe88 » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:39 pm

yea its always good to have a floppy drive
I mean its only $5, its not like its $50...
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Postby HeavyMetal » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:53 pm

I think Floppy will have its use for some time. More than the computer brands would like to let known with there pre-install crap. Dell Support is a piece of bloody spam.

They don't even want to give you the re-install disc these days. Like Windows runs forever without the eventual need to format.

Like I said most (good) consoles use NVIDIA. Nintendo's last hit console was the SNES. I wish that were an exaggeration as I do miss Zelda.

The 360 really is nice, but it really hasn't pushed that far past the Xbox in all truth. They may suffer the Sega mistake of forcing the market ahead to soon.

The majority of the market is still PS2's NVIDIA (about 70+% until the 360 but that is gen 7 not 6). Xbox is dead as of some months ago when NVIDIA stopped production of its chip.

Oh and GameCube was not actually ATI it was ArtWorks I think or some sort of third party bought out by ATI.



Anyway, are there tricks to know in part searching?


Things to watch out for like when company's would measure monitors horizontal to inflate numbers or give you two RAM cards instead of one larger card.

If I wasn't trying to build right on the price-performance curve this would be easy. There always seems to be that point with computers where the money you shell out stops having a tremendous effect on power.
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Postby Joe88 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:15 pm

Well technology is adavncing every day now
so bascially your hardware is out of date wityhin a few days :shock:
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Postby Scintilla » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:05 pm

HeavyMetal wrote:
Anyway, are there tricks to know in part searching?


Things to watch out for like when company's would measure monitors horizontal to inflate numbers or give you two RAM cards instead of one larger card.

Well, if number of open DIMM slots isn't an issue, then the matched pair should actually perform better than a single stick, assuming your system supports dual-channel memory (and most these days do, IIRC).
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Postby Joe88 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:34 pm

Scintilla wrote:
HeavyMetal wrote:
Anyway, are there tricks to know in part searching?


Things to watch out for like when company's would measure monitors horizontal to inflate numbers or give you two RAM cards instead of one larger card.

Well, if number of open DIMM slots isn't an issue, then the matched pair should actually perform better than a single stick, assuming your system supports dual-channel memory (and most these days do, IIRC).


exactely

ex = 2x 512MB sticks will out perform 1x 1GB stick

but you should be buying 2x 1GB sticks since more support 4GB
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Postby HeavyMetal » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:15 pm

Yeah, I know about the daul stick deal, but manufactures used to leave out wether or not they were doing that. So if you bought a PC with intent of getting memory cheaper elsewhere then you got screwed.

Hell I saw a Compaq never before opened WITHOUT A FAN. I mean what the hell. Guess what killed the computer before they had me take a look.

I heard something about a model of laptop with a problem that got sold at a lower price under a different model number instead of an actual fix.

Then there was the thing about the "Core Solo" which I read in some cases is actuall a two core CPU with one dead core.

I think sometimes manufactures take advantage of the fact that the most people don't know the details. Some shady stuff has taken place in the computer business.
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Postby Joe88 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:24 pm

My Dell Dimension 4550 only has 1 120mm fan which ducted to CPU colling only only
I dont know how but the rest of the case stays cool :shock:
(i took this comp out of the garbage btw and reformated because it had 2000+ vires/spyware ect on it and it works fine and have been using it for the last 8 months with not much trouble with 2x 120GB HD, 2.4ghz Intel P4, ATI Radeon 9250)

Cant wait for my new rig 8-)

if anybody wants to know a parts list ill be glad to post
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Postby Kariudo » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:43 pm

list away
the rig I built last spring break:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800
Asus a8n-sli delux (s939, ddr400, pci-e x16 (2), pci-e x1, pci (3), 4Sata, 4Sata raid (via hardware controller), dual gigabit lan...some other stuff)
eVGA GeForce 6600 (256MB ddr, pci-e x16)
Ultra X-finity 500W psu (dual 12v rails, flexforce cables)
1GB(2x512) Corsair valueSelect dual-channel pc3200 (2.5-3-3-11)
2 WD raptor 36.7GB (10K spindle)...and after some trouble, set up in raid0
generic 250GB sata (7200)
LG dvd drive (can't remember read/write speeds...or what it supported)
Aspire X-Crusier (silver)
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Postby Joe88 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:37 am

Case
Thermaltake Armor Silver Aluminum $179.99
[urlhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133155[/url]

PSU
KINGWIN ATX 12V Ver.2.2 600W $119.99
[urlhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817121014[/url]

CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 $349.99
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003[/url]

MOBO
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 975X CrossFire ready $269.99
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025[/url]

RAM
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 Cat Latency 4 (PC2 6400) $177.99
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231073"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231073[/url]

GPU's
ATI Radeon X1950XTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 $549.99
(URL SOON TO COME)
ATI Radeon X1950 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 CrossFire Edition $599.99
(URL SOON TO COME)

Removable Media
SONY Beige 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive $5.99
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821103109"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821103109[/url]

Cables
Link Depot 18" ATA133 UV Cable 3-Connector $3.49 x2
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104037"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104037[/url]
Link Depot 18" Floppy UV Cable, 2-Connectors $2.49
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104025"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104025[/url]

Cooling


Add Ons
LOGISYS Computer 12" DUAL COLD CATHODE KIT $7.99
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994001"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994001[/url]
Spire Coolers Multi-Functional Control Panel $25.99
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994007"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994007[/url]
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Postby Joe88 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:39 am

^eh sorry about that the bbc code didnt work out right...
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Postby Kariudo » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:25 am

Joe88 wrote:Case
Thermaltake Armor Silver Aluminum $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133155

PSU
KINGWIN ATX 12V Ver.2.2 600W $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817121014

CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 $349.99
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003[/url]

MOBO
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 975X CrossFire ready $269.99
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025[/url]

RAM
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 Cat Latency 4 (PC2 6400) $177.99
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231073"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231073[/url]

GPU's
ATI Radeon X1950XTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 $549.99
(URL SOON TO COME)
ATI Radeon X1950 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 CrossFire Edition $599.99
(URL SOON TO COME)

Removable Media
SONY Beige 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive $5.99
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821103109"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821103109[/url]

Cables
Link Depot 18" ATA133 UV Cable 3-Connector $3.49 x2
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104037"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104037[/url]
Link Depot 18" Floppy UV Cable, 2-Connectors $2.49
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104025"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104025[/url]

Cooling


Add Ons
LOGISYS Computer 12" DUAL COLD CATHODE KIT $7.99
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994001"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994001[/url]
Spire Coolers Multi-Functional Control Panel $25.99
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994007"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811994007[/url]

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Postby AMV_4000 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:36 pm

i built a 1 ghz amd athalon comp last december just to host files for my network.. cause im cheap.. the comp was like $80, with a free case... i put in a dual layer dvd burner $80, 2 200 gig WD Hd's *i had them laying around* and 1 120 gig Seagate $80 on sale. everything else is stock... and i have edited on that comp many times with very little problem... *made 2 vids on it using just after effects*

right now im using a laptop i bought for $450 at a pawn shop... the guy was pissed off because it froze up on him and he had to pay like $100 to get it working again... he wanted $500 for it, but i said something about it freezing and it didnt have a laptop bag *like $20 at walmart for a bag... and i dont even care...* so he dropped the price for me... i got it home, cleared off all of the programs that were fucking it up.... didnt reformat it, and it hasnt froze yet... granted its only a 1.9 ghz 64 bit amd sempron... and an E-machine at that... with 40 gig hard drive, and 512 megs of ram... it works great though... i can get about 3 hours of battery life... i can edit like mad *although the space i have is limited, but what i do is i put my vob files on my 1ghz comp, then i make the d2v/avs/fake avi's over the network, and they edit just fine in premiere and after effects..

so you can get a REALLY cheap comp, and even though it might not be the fastest you can edit on it... *i didnt have to wait much on my 1ghz...* but if you wanna spend a lot on a comp and want to edit like mad... be my guest... just makesure you ask yourself.. is it worth what im going to spend on it?
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Postby HeavyMetal » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:13 pm

Well I'm out to go DVD studio on a few old home movies and play a few games too. It really on takes a bunch of RAM to edit video for AMVs, well, maybe not that much.

What I think is funny is that with all Joe88's power he only has a Floppy drive. (List was missing the drives.....I hope.)

That old Compaq overheated to death from not having any fan at all of any type, aside from the power supply which didn't cool much other than the supply itself.

They had one of those heat spreaders (I forget what they are called.) to increase surface area glued (swear it looked like Elmer's school glue) stuck right on the Processor.
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Postby Joe88 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:16 pm

Well actually I already have brand new Sony DVD-RW 16x, and a Sony DVD-ROM 52x with me me now, still in the boxes

As for HD , I have 2x 120GB that will go right to that comp
I found a way online where you dont have to reformat to bring a local driver such as C:// with windows installed to boot with the new comp fine without any errors

I have those parts already so I dont need to buy them

though I might buy a 300GB SATA HD...
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