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Postby Willen » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:53 am

WMM likes to do weird things sometimes. Especially when 2x slow and 2x fast are involved. You might want to try exporting the video in parts and then recombining the segments with VDub/Mod.

WMM even has issues with outputting high(er) quality WMV9 video.
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Postby wolferetic » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:26 pm

Super thanks Melanchthon and Jayn_Newell!!!!!!!! :D

I will try to put in practical your councils!! As soon as I do not succeed to compress it ve I make it to know!! :wink:
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Postby Cornwiggle » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:45 pm

Melanchthon wrote:
.wmv has a bad reputation around here because of the quality of the average .wmv encode (this is the editor's fault and not the program's), and there are people who can't or won't play .wmv files.


Says who? I've seen great quality WMV vids. I would give an example, but it's gone because it used an Evadfhsres song.

And as for people who won't even view wmv files because of the fact they think it'll suck, sucks you be you. You're missing out on some good vids. And not all vids that are wmv are made with WMM.
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Postby downwithpants » Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:01 pm

shiro_clanclan wrote:Okay, my turn to ask a question...

Everybody suggests saving as DV, since it always works. But I've noticed that on my computers, saving as DV doesn't work properly. The sound and video are both messed up, usually where effects (like speed mods) are concerned. I tested this theory by encoding a DV, then replacing its glitchy audio with the exact same audio file used in WMM... and voila, it desynched. Thus, both the audio and video are messed up.

So does anyone have an effective way of encoding as DV? I'd love to be able to work on a whole video at once and save it as a huge file (no worries about HD space here), but I'd need that file to be... well, what I created.

Side Note:

I was working on re-making a prototype AMV a few days ago. Originally I had a few clips for the intro, then a huge clip with the rest of the scenes for the end. It encoded fine. This time around I made clips for every scene change, put in all the clips exactly where they were before, then synched up the intro as I had done before. But this time, I got the "timeline too complex" encoder error.

I ran into this error first on Elfen Lied... I thought it was just because I used so many effects. After all, my videos that were DDR-length (Ippo, BISHF) never had encoding problems. But now, I think that simply having a full-length song causes WMM to fail encoding.

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So I'm kinda surprised that I'm hitting a complexity barrier so quickly...


create a high bitrate wmv profile with windows media encoder. see: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/usin ... ofile.mspx

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Postby shiro_clanclan » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:26 pm

I already have a megas-high profile. WME has been installed on my machine for a while. I use "AMV Uber Output" to make the original encodes, then use VDM to convert to AVI... that's why my new videos on the org are AVIs instead of WMVs. Macs like my sister's like AVIs.

But using this uber encoder (or rather, every single encoding option aside from DV) causes WMM to fail its encode hardly after it starts. About 10 seconds in, while the "Estimating Time Remaining" is still there.

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Postby Melanchthon » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:28 pm

Cornwiggle wrote:
Melanchthon wrote:
.wmv has a bad reputation around here because of the quality of the average .wmv encode (this is the editor's fault and not the program's), and there are people who can't or won't play .wmv files.


Says who? I've seen great quality WMV vids. I would give an example, but it's gone because it used an Evadfhsres song.

:?

Also, all you have is one example that's no longer available? I know I'm convinced. :P

Wish It Was All Just A Terrible Lie -- has interlacing issues, but the video is put together well and makes good use of the effects-laden trailer footage. You have no idea how happy I am to finally see a good Galerians vid.
Internal Deviation -- good use of effects, great synch, an all-round solid video.
Armitage III: Dreams in Digital -- are you talking about visual quality when you say 'great quality'? This one isn't, but it's a cool video anyway.
A Half-Demon's Pain II -- I remember this one having good visual quality. Song got a little annoying after repeated listens though, so I ended up deleting it.
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Postby shiro_clanclan » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:20 pm

I should've put up the original WMVs for BISHF and Ippo Likes to Move It. XP Just to disprove all this "WMV sux lol" crap.
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Postby Purge » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:34 am

Cornwiggle wrote:
Melanchthon wrote:
.wmv has a bad reputation around here because of the quality of the average .wmv encode (this is the editor's fault and not the program's), and there are people who can't or won't play .wmv files.


Says who? I've seen great quality WMV vids. I would give an example, but it's gone because it used an Evadfhsres song.

And as for people who won't even view wmv files because of the fact they think it'll suck, sucks you be you. You're missing out on some good vids. And not all vids that are wmv are made with WMM.


I really dont mind the quality and think its more the lack of editing, there are wMM vids on here that are edited so that its just a 1 min fight scene lifted from the anime run against some music. It i wanted to see that then i'd just watch the anime.
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Postby shiro_clanclan » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:59 am

shiro_clanclan wrote:Aside: Woot, a Cornellian! With a layering plugin for WMM! Probably works better than mine... >.>;;

Oh, it's an AVS effect... darn... oh well, that actually works better... should've thought of doing overlays that way... stupid me, thinking inside the box.

I guess I shall try some suggestions for changing the way that Windows handles memory distrobution, see if that helps any.
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Postby Cagari » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:15 am

Hello!!!
I wanted to ask a question about WMM.

When I used files such as AVIs or MKV(?), and put some music into it, the music would sometimes not play...

I have no idea why...
It would only play for a little bit, and then cut off suddenly(just the music. The vid would keep playing.)
I corrected the problem temporarily by going to the Audio/Music and adjusting the volume, but it would mess up again soon after the movie was played...

I also posted a topic about a problem with WMM...please respond to that as well!!!! >_<

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Postby Melanchthon » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:33 am

Cagari wrote:Hello!!!
I wanted to ask a question about WMM.

When I used files such as AVIs or MKV(?), and put some music into it, the music would sometimes not play...

Are the .avi files DivX or XviD? That's the most common cause of synch and playback problems when editing.
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Postby Cagari » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:25 am

I have no idea!!! Well...they can play with it...is that what you mean?
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Postby Cagari » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:18 am

I also have another problem with WMM...
I recently made an AMV using AVI video files. For some reason now, I can't save it!!! It says that "WMM cannot save the movie to the specified location. Verify that the original source files used in your movie are still avilable, that the saving location is still available, and that there is enough free disk space available, and then try again."
It's strange....the location is there(I even made a new folder just for this video), the project is still there, and I have gigs of memory...the movie only takes up 13.91MB...I don't know what's wrong...
Do filters play a part in this? I've noticed that if I turn some filters on, the movie can't save at all, but if I switch them around, sometimes the movie can only save a little bit....other times it says the above.
And then something strange came up one time...The movie started saving, but it only saved to 2%, and the minutes only kept on going UP instead of down after that!!! I even left the computer on for hours...and it still wasn't saved!!!
Please help....TT_______TT
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Postby shiro_clanclan » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:10 am

That is the most horrible (and really, the only un-fixable) bug in WMM2.

I'm sorry, but there's only one way to get around the "cannot save to specified location" bug... split your project.

Like this. Save your current project exactly the way it is as, like, "myamvpart1" and "myamvpart2." Now open "myamvpart1" and delete the entire second half. Save. Open "myamvpart2" and delete the entire first half. Make sure, though, that in each instance you're trimming the end/beginning of the song so that all your clips in each half are still synched. Save.

Now export the halves with the highest quality you can. I'd suggest getting Windows Media Encoder 9 and creating a profile that will save at 20MBPS. Link below.

Once you have your halves, import them back into WMM and drop them in the right place on the timeline. Now you only have two clips, so WMM can encode them.

The bug is in the way WMM2 buffers memory for encoding... it's just plain wrong. It'll hit a memory ceiling and then just... stop. It should try to do stuff bit-by-bit, but it'll try to buffer your entire timeline at once instead. Hopefully this bug will be fixed in the next version of WMM.

Here's a link to WME9, in case you're interested.

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Postby Cornwiggle » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:10 am

Purge wrote:
Cornwiggle wrote:
Melanchthon wrote:
.wmv has a bad reputation around here because of the quality of the average .wmv encode (this is the editor's fault and not the program's), and there are people who can't or won't play .wmv files.


Says who? I've seen great quality WMV vids. I would give an example, but it's gone because it used an Evadfhsres song.

And as for people who won't even view wmv files because of the fact they think it'll suck, sucks you be you. You're missing out on some good vids. And not all vids that are wmv are made with WMM.


I really dont mind the quality and think its more the lack of editing, there are wMM vids on here that are edited so that its just a 1 min fight scene lifted from the anime run against some music. It i wanted to see that then i'd just watch the anime.


But there are some that aren't either... >_>

I consider that lack of editing skill, rather than the program's fault.
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