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Capture settings in Premiere

Postby y2kwizard » Fri Oct 04, 2002 11:06 pm

Hello all. I'm having an extremely difficult time getting Premiere to load the settings I'm wanting to capture video.

When I click on Capture in the Project Settings dialog box, Premiere recognizes that there is a Firewire card connected to my computer and lets me play around with a few properties, but I cannot modify how fields are interpreted upon capture....I need to have it capture with "no fields" when right now it's capturing "lower field first." Does anyone know how to ratify this?
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Oct 05, 2002 7:27 am

um... DV is always lower field first.

Something tells me you need to read the manual.
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 8:58 am

Even if the camera records in Progressive Scan?
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Oct 05, 2002 9:23 am

You are doing NTSC. NTSC, by it's very nature is not progressive.
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 9:27 am

OK, then i guess my next question would be how do I take advantage of the fact that my camera records in Progressive.....
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Oct 05, 2002 9:28 am

It still has fields... they just aren't interlaced fields.

You do know what fields are right?
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 10:29 am

yes, yes... A field is basically a half frame, and in NTSC video the "lower field" is drawn on the screen first, then the upper field, to create one frame.
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 11:58 am

I'm guessing my question is this: Why when I capture and use Lower Field First for my capture setting. project setting, and output setting does the video look like crap...basically each frame looks like a blend of two frames.....
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 12:00 pm

Oh, yeah, and I had one more question: When I output with "no fields" in Premiere, the output looks exactly the same as wehn I output with Lower field first...both look ike that same blend of two pictures...but in After Effects, I go in and do a No Fields render, it looks great...absolutely perfect??
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 12:17 pm

Well, I've kind of figured out one othr thing now....when premiere imports a clip that it captured, in the Settings Viewer under Project, it cannot determine what the Field Settings for the clip under Render are....it simply says Unknown :

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Does anyone know how to force an interpretation of Lower Field First?? I think maybe the difference between the AE no fields output and the Premiere no fields output is that AE interpreted the footage correctly.....maybe.....
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 1:05 pm

TERRIBLY SORRY for so many posts, but I wanted to give you guys a visual clue as to what my problem is:

First, this is the footage I captured in Premiere being played in RealPlayer:

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Next is the Premiere captured footage run through Premiere with No Fields set as my render setting, also being played in RealPlayer:

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Finally here's my footage run through AE with no fields specified, also being played in RealPlayer:

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Does anyone have a clue?
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Oct 05, 2002 3:03 pm

*sigh*

it's pretty f;ing simple.


YOU HAVE TO CAPTURE AS LOWER FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DV IS.

however, if it is a NON-INTERLACED frame then you can set your premiere project settings to No Fields, which will stop premiere from interlacing your transitions. It will interlace them if you set to lower first because NTSC handles interlacing. If you are doing things just for digital though you don't need the interlacing so you can choose no fields.

Again, you could do with actually understanding what these things do before you use them... i.e. read the manual, like I said.
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 4:24 pm

But my question is that I DID put the settings at No Frames and it STILL didn't export without frames....it seemed to interlace it, as you can see in the picture. I've used AE to encode in Microsoft DV and NO Frames DOES work, so you can't say that DV inherently interlaces the footage. My question is WHY is this happening??

I understand that if I set the settings to "Lower Field First," then my footage WILL be interlaced, but that's not what I'm doing. I AM setting it to No Fields in Premiere and it STILL interlaces them. In AE everything works fine....I'm trying to figure out why that is.

I do thank you for all the time you've spent (wasted??) helping me with this, but I'm still not sure why this all is ocurring. I KNOW that NTSC inherently interlaces but i don't see how DV can be inherently interlaced if when I use the DV codec in AE it DOESN'T interlace my footage.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Oct 05, 2002 4:36 pm

ever considered that AE is deinterlacing your footage?

I can't give you any advice based on screenshots from realplayer.
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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Oct 05, 2002 4:45 pm

Well, it certainly is an awfully good deinterlacing job. What kind of info can I give you or others that might elucidate my situation?
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