[Split]Rap debate

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[Split]Rap debate

Postby amvwizard » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:23 am

megaman917 wrote:
amvwizard wrote:But yeah that is very moronic. If it was rap then i would have to agree wit him

amvwizard, you, like everyone else is entitled to not like, and even hate rap, but don't come here and say that it's not music. That would make you just as moronic as Dark_Falz's father.


Name one redeeming feature about rap.
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Postby megaman917 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:11 pm

Style, presence, uniqueness, fan base, etc. The same redeeming features found in all genres of music.
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Postby Bardiel13 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:16 pm

I don't listen to rap, but I'm gonna go with megaman917. Every style have music has it's own quality that some people find attractive. What... what was the topic again?! :?
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Postby amvwizard » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:22 pm

megaman917 wrote:Style, presence, uniqueness, fan base, etc. The same redeeming features found in all genres of music.


W/e .... it just pisses me off that some one can make an ass load of money doin something that takes no talent.
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Postby Kai Stromler » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:48 pm

amvwizard wrote:
megaman917 wrote:Style, presence, uniqueness, fan base, etc. The same redeeming features found in all genres of music.


W/e .... it just pisses me off that some one can make an ass load of money doin something that takes no talent.


:headdesk:

Yes, it takes no talent to pose and act like an ass on MTV, but this is not the whole or even the core of hip-hop. In general, it's not smart to assume that the most visible and commercial manifestation of something is representative.

(And when a metalhead calls you out for being dumb about rap, it's serious Life Re-evaluation Time. :P :P )

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Postby megaman917 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:31 pm

amvwizard wrote:
megaman917 wrote:Style, presence, uniqueness, fan base, etc. The same redeeming features found in all genres of music.


W/e .... it just pisses me off that some one can make an ass load of money doin something that takes no talent.


You know nothing.

It takes talent to become a best selling author. It takes talent to become a true professional wrestler. It take talent to be a comedian. It takes talent to become a movie star. It takes talent to make the interior of the Sistine Chapel one of the most famous artworks on God's green Earth. It takes talent to a top chef and get your own cooking show. It takes talen to turn an ugly apartment int a luxurious condo, without rebuilding the exterior. It takes talet to turn a rusty busted up station wagon and turn in to a next generation speed machine equipped with TVs, a satellite hook up, XM radio, PS2, PS3, XBox, XBox 360, Game Cube, WII, wireless internet, PSP in the steering wheel, DS in the dash board, and a stereo system that's so loud that people from 10 miles away know that your ass is coming. It takes talent to make into the NBA. It takes talent to take something, twist it up, chop it up, screw it up, put it back out, and have people wondering the fuck did you just give them. It takes talent to write lyrics to a song. It takes talent to write the music (or compose a beat) to a song. It takes talent to put the lyrics to the music and rework it until it sounds just right. It takes talent to generate an interest and fan base with your target audience. It takes talent to generate an interest and fan base outside of your target audience. It takes talent to have your fans wanting more.
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Postby amvwizard » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:01 pm

My 7 year old sister knows how to use the program "Fruity Loops". She makes beats with it. If she can do it anybody can. So saying that means that everybody can do it. Which also means it must not take any talent. Talent is "Having a special abliltty that the Majority of people don't have." Everybody can talk. Except for paralyzed people. Rapping is talking. Every body can make words rhyme. There for rapping = something everybody can do. The only reason rap has such a large fan base is because of the culture behind it. Rappers talks 20 inch rims, escalades, Gangsta lifestyles. And a bunch of other stuff. Those things are the things that people think are "Cool". Its not rap that has the fan base its the culutural. If some one rapped about living in a sububan home with 2 kids and a stepford wife would anybody listen to it? If some one was rapping about their day job would anybody like? If some rapped about how they went to taco bell and had a nice conversation about the stock market with the dude at the drive thru window would any body listen to it??
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:07 pm

amvwizard wrote:My 7 year old sister knows how to use the program "Fruity Loops". She makes beats with it. If she can do it anybody can. So saying that means that everybody can do it. Which also means it must not take any talent. Talent is "Having a special abliltty that the Majority of people don't have." Everybody can talk. Except for paralyzed people. Rapping is talking. Every body can make words rhyme. There for rapping = something everybody can do. The only reason rap has such a large fan base is because of the culture behind it. Rappers talks 20 inch rims, escalades, Gangsta lifestyles. And a bunch of other stuff. Those things are the things that people think are "Cool". Its not rap that has the fan base its the culutural. If some one rapped about living in a sububan home with 2 kids and a stepford wife would anybody listen to it? If some one was rapping about their day job would anybody like? If some rapped about how they went to taco bell and had a nice conversation about the stock market with the dude at the drive thru window would any body listen to it??


singing is talking.. rapping is talking.. they're both talking..just branching off in different ways :| wait.. does that mean anybody can sing?

you know we can turn that message around and talk about rock instead, but i'd rather not spend some time doing that
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Postby amvwizard » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:09 pm

omg at the ignorance...



SINGING requires talent. Not everybody can sing. Most people in this world are "Tone Deaf". Meaning they can't tell the diffrence between a "C" and a "C" minor. When they try to sing they sing off key and can't tell the diffrence.
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:12 pm

amvwizard wrote:omg at the ignorance...


Not everybody can sing.


trust me, not everybody can rap either, bringing up tone with rap is a waste of time
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Postby Kai Stromler » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:17 pm

amvwizard wrote:If some one was rapping about their day job would anybody like?


I dunno, you tell me.

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Postby amvwizard » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:19 pm

omg lol :P

i stand corrected
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Postby Kai Stromler » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:22 pm

And if you're looking for more counterexamples to the idea that its MTV face is the be-all-end-all of hip-hop culture, the rest of D-Jux's A/V page is full of them.

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Postby megaman917 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:53 pm

amvwizard wrote:omg at the ignorance...

You of all people do not reserve the right to call anyone ignorant. Myself, Mr. Stromler, and The Unlimited, have been trying to get a point across to you, which you fail to get.

1. There is more to Rap than what you get on television and radio.
2. There is more to the same artists that you normally get on television and radion, than what you get on television and radio.
3. It takes talent to rap, just like its takes talent to sing and compose a beat. Not everyone can do it. And if you still don't believe, then try making you own rap record and see how fast you'll get shut down.
4. Anyone can put words together that rhyme, but that doesn't mean that they can rap. There is a difference between rapping and reciting poetry.
5. By proper definition, rap is talking in rhyme and rhythm over a musical beat. The Unlimited pointed out the singing is also talking, so by default all songs with lyrics, regardless of genre, can be defined as talking in rhyme and rhythm over a musical beat.
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Postby amvwizard » Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:46 pm

I say these things about rap because I guess I'm comparing it to rock. (duhh). You have a valid point and you changed my view about rap (congrats :) ). I guess it does take some talent. I never said I actually hated rap i do listen to it... hehe :oops: .... I just don't consider it actual music. :roll:
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