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Postby Nick Rotem » Thu Oct 03, 2002 7:20 pm

hi, i'm nick, and i'm 17, and i need some help w/ creating an amv, first i need to know if it's legal to "borrow" scenes from other amv's created here. i'm in the middle of making one NGE - static x - Push it. plz cuz i have very limited resourses at my age to get a GOOD job in order to buy series. TY
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Postby The Wired Knight » Thu Oct 03, 2002 7:25 pm

Only if you get their permission. And if it's only a scene or two I say it's ok but if you are going to take effects and cuts then I would say no because then it isn't your AMV. But you should only do it if you get the original creato'r permsission.
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Postby Nick Rotem » Thu Oct 03, 2002 7:28 pm

^_^ thanx, but from what i've seen, there have been A LOT of copied scenes from alot of the series made into amvs, so how will one know that they were reused??
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Postby The Wired Knight » Thu Oct 03, 2002 7:35 pm

If you leave the cuts in some people notice, if it's just the scene you really won't notice but there is a possibility of it. And really I do consider it VERY rude and dissrespectful to teh creator to use their footage without their permission.
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Postby Nick Rotem » Thu Oct 03, 2002 7:38 pm

ok, i will do, thank you
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Postby aluminumstudios » Fri Oct 04, 2002 1:37 pm

PLEASE don't do it without the creators permission. I personally get really mad when other people use clips from my videos. THe way I see it I put tons of money and effort into my videos to entertain others, not to supply them with source.

You can't always tell what's edited either. I do noise filtering, clip off noise at the bottom, adjust color, change speed, etc. etc. Those are efforts that I put into the video that I don't want to see in others.

So please respect other AMV creators and just ask. Who knows, maybe they can hook you up with source clips instead of taking from already heavily comporessed videos.

Ohh, and there are pseudo scientific methods for telling if your footage was used in another AMV. Load that amv along with yours into AfterEffects or Premiere and apply the difference blending mode. If the difference is just a few ghosts caused by compression artifacts as opposed to a foggy but solid image, then there is a VERY high probablity that the clips were from the same source.

I know technically AMVs are taking from the original artists and I can't say don't take from my videos without being a hippocite. But we all need to respect each other's wishes to keep the AMV community strong and positive, and some people like me really REALLY don't like having their videos used as source.
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Postby Chef » Fri Oct 04, 2002 1:40 pm

um...isnt that what amv's do? take source from something else and re-edit it?
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Postby The Wired Knight » Fri Oct 04, 2002 2:33 pm

We take from DVDs we bought legally and edit. If you take someone else's work and use it for yourself without permission you are stealing what they worked hard on. If you edit it yourself you are a least putting more work in it and aren't being a lazy ass.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Oct 04, 2002 2:41 pm

It's pretty simple. If you use Utena as your source you put "utena" in the database.

If you use Will's utena video you should really put "First we take manhattan" (sorry dont recall the name) or similar. I personally see using the source as a homage and if you dont say where you got it from then you are just lying to people.

Just be honest and all will be good.
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Postby Rozard » Fri Oct 04, 2002 2:44 pm

God, another thing on the site's "To Do" List 8)
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Postby aluminumstudios » Fri Oct 04, 2002 2:54 pm

um...isnt that what amv's do? take source from something else and re-edit it?


I admit that. It's not possible to 100% rationalize your feelings and I get really miffed when people take from my videos. So please don't do it.

I only believe in "first generation" fan art and I hope others can respect my wishes (and those people who share them) when it comes to my videos.

Besides, If you take from other people's videos, you're not taking from a varied pool of scenes which limits potential and creativity from the start.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Oct 04, 2002 2:55 pm

OK, to clarify I dont really think adding individual amvs to the anime database is a good thing - but putting it in the video information would be essential, I think.
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Postby aluminumstudios » Fri Oct 04, 2002 3:10 pm

I agree, (provided the creator gave permission.)

This is a topic that really gets me fired up. 1.5 years ago or so this one guy copied my entire website design exactly (he didn't even change the names of files he took from me) and used scenes from my videos in his repeatedly. I politely asked him to stop and he was a real jerk back to me which started a long feud between us. Since then I've been harsh on people who use my videos ... because it's taking the little bit of creativity that I add to the show away from me. Yeah, yeah, I know I didn't create the show and I'm taking from the studios ... but that aside.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Oct 04, 2002 3:12 pm

will: was it pazuri senior? :P
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Postby aluminumstudios » Fri Oct 04, 2002 3:31 pm

No, it was his grandfather.

And I layed the smack down on him too:
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