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Postby TaranT » Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:54 am

oldwrench wrote:According to inside sources I talked to at Anime Detour, the industry is in no big hurry to get into blue ray or hd-dvd. There is to much of a format fight going on right now and hardware hasn't been delivered as promised. He thinks that the industry will soon be moving to a new format, a holographic card. Put the card in a slot and lasers read it with almost no moving parts. Best thing is they have put over a terabyte on the size of a credit card, with lots of room to spare.

Here's a picture of one:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/10/optware-holographic-versatile-card-30gb-on-a-credit-card/
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Postby sigmatron » Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:33 pm

TaranT wrote:
oldwrench wrote:According to inside sources I talked to at Anime Detour, the industry is in no big hurry to get into blue ray or hd-dvd. There is to much of a format fight going on right now and hardware hasn't been delivered as promised. He thinks that the industry will soon be moving to a new format, a holographic card. Put the card in a slot and lasers read it with almost no moving parts. Best thing is they have put over a terabyte on the size of a credit card, with lots of room to spare.

Here's a picture of one:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/10/optware-holographic-versatile-card-30gb-on-a-credit-card/



dude!! thX for the link

I wound this http://www.engadget.com/2004/08/24/optw ... tile-disc/

and the "Optware Corp" http://www.optware.co.jp/english/

ok so 3 types Blu-ray and Optware's 1TB Holographic Versatile Disc and
the Optware's 1TB Holographic Versatile Disc


wow! just wow!!

OMG!!! WOW!!!!! A TB!!!

I remenber (thinking A TB) when a 700 MB(thinking A TB) was big.(thinking A TB)

and to top it (thinking A TB) off (thinking A TB WOW) the new ddr3 is
comeing out. (thinking A TB)
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Postby Qyot27 » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:13 pm

Eh, I won't have much need for either format right off the bat as I don't have an HDTV (my grandparents do, though); the only advantage would be for editing, but that relies on the ability to break the AACS encryption, and moreover, to be able to continually break it, since AACS has been reported to be upgradable (whether that's actually true or a media farce remains to be seen). It will be nice to have HD res, AVC-formatted anime or movies, though, once I actually have an HDTV to view it on.

I will however, have an immediate use for blanks to use with a burner, provided there isn't anything screwy about the formatting. I could honestly care less who wins the format war, as long as Blu-ray takes market share in blank media. Give me as much space as I can get; this does depend on whether, like I said, there's anything screwy about writing to blanks or not.
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Postby Willen » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:36 am

Qyot27 wrote:Eh, I won't have much need for either format right off the bat as I don't have an HDTV (my grandparents do, though); the only advantage would be for editing, but that relies on the ability to break the AACS encryption, and moreover, to be able to continually break it, since AACS has been reported to be upgradable (whether that's actually true or a media farce remains to be seen). It will be nice to have HD res, AVC-formatted anime or movies, though, once I actually have an HDTV to view it on.

I will however, have an immediate use for blanks to use with a burner, provided there isn't anything screwy about the formatting. I could honestly care less who wins the format war, as long as Blu-ray takes market share in blank media. Give me as much space as I can get; this does depend on whether, like I said, there's anything screwy about writing to blanks or not.


I'm sure they'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they incorporated something that would hinder your access to your own data stored on the discs.

Hopefully, most of the Blu-ray Discs will not incorporate ITC which at least leaves a possible opening around AACS. It's not full 1080p, but at least 1080i or 720p would be a great step up, even if it meant some amount of digital-to-analog and analog-to-digital conversion. Plus, it means the HDTV I bought a few years ago won't be totally useless for HD.
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Postby Coderjoe » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:10 pm

Willen wrote:Plus, it means the HDTV I bought a few years ago won't be totally useless for HD.

I Wouldn't be so sure about that.
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Postby Willen » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:00 am

Coderjoe wrote:
Willen wrote:Plus, it means the HDTV I bought a few years ago won't be totally useless for HD.

I Wouldn't be so sure about that.

The inital batch of Blu-ray releases will not incorportate the ITC (Image Constraint Token) option for AACS encoded discs. So once I get a Blu-ray player hooked into my older HDTV through component video, I'll be able to get at least 720p or more likely 1080i images on my set. I don't know about future releases though, but I have a feeling that as long as HD-DVD is around, the Blu-ray camp will try to tout this as an advantage for Blu-ray since it seems that most initial HD-DVD releases will use ITC.

True, I won't get full 1080p resolution capable from the players, but since 99% of HDTVs in people's homes won't accept or even display 1080p signals, that is a minor concern. I most likely will have a newer HD set in a few years that will feature full 1080p HDMI capability anyways, so I'm only really looking at the short term. Right now, the only thing I've seen in 1080i on my HDTV is Gran Turismo 4 since Time Warner Cable is being a stingy bitch in my area (10 HD channels that aren't worth watching 90% of the time for an additional $25+? I don't think so).
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Postby Coderjoe » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:31 pm

Willen wrote:The inital batch of Blu-ray releases will not incorportate the ITC (Image Constraint Token) option for AACS encoded discs.

I wouldn't count on them NOT turning it on at some point, though.

Willen wrote:Right now, the only thing I've seen in 1080i on my HDTV is Gran Turismo 4 since Time Warner Cable is being a stingy bitch in my area (10 HD channels that aren't worth watching 90% of the time for an additional $25+? I don't think so).

For any non-encrypted over-the-air HD local channels they retransmit, they are legally required to provide them in the clear as well, for no additional charge. The only problem is that you need to have a tuner that can understand the modulation the cable company uses, which is 99.99% of the time QAM. Over the air uses VSB modulation, so not all built-in tuners will be able to receive the clear channels from the cable tv line.
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Postby Willen » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:06 am

Coderjoe wrote:
Willen wrote:The inital batch of Blu-ray releases will not incorportate the ITC (Image Constraint Token) option for AACS encoded discs.

I wouldn't count on them NOT turning it on at some point, though.

Willen wrote:Right now, the only thing I've seen in 1080i on my HDTV is Gran Turismo 4 since Time Warner Cable is being a stingy bitch in my area (10 HD channels that aren't worth watching 90% of the time for an additional $25+? I don't think so).

For any non-encrypted over-the-air HD local channels they retransmit, they are legally required to provide them in the clear as well, for no additional charge. The only problem is that you need to have a tuner that can understand the modulation the cable company uses, which is 99.99% of the time QAM. Over the air uses VSB modulation, so not all built-in tuners will be able to receive the clear channels from the cable tv line.

You don't need to explain this to me, I've been selling this stuff for over 10 years now.

I haven't been able to find any requirements for cable companies to retransmit the HD signal free of additional charges (if it is available). My local Time Warner Cable used to and then they changed the signal encryption (pretty sure they didn't change the modulation since all the QAM capable sets that used to get the local HD feeds suddenly stopped getting them). And sadly, my HDTV doesn't handle QAM.
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Postby sigmatron » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:33 am

A 250GB to 120GB hard drive is ~$80 to $120

10 of these is 250 it's smaller and safer to use.
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Postby Athena » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:46 pm

sigmatron wrote:A 250GB to 120GB hard drive is ~$80 to $120

10 of these is 250 it's smaller and safer to use.


Explain. For permanent back ups, using standard IDE drives seems silly. They're rather bulky, and quite heavy in comparison to discs or cards.
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Postby Willen » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:14 am

Kionon wrote:
sigmatron wrote:A 250GB to 120GB hard drive is ~$80 to $120

10 of these is 250 it's smaller and safer to use.


Explain. For permanent back ups, using standard IDE drives seems silly. They're rather bulky, and quite heavy in comparison to discs or cards.

I think he means 10 Blu-ray discs (25GB each) would be equivalent to a 250GB HDD.

Although each one is smaller, all together 10 BDs would probably be about the same volume of a 3.5" HDD. And, since the BDs themselves do not have any moving parts and aren't affected by magnetic fields, they should be more reliable in the long run for storage (as long as you have a drive that can read them in the future). I'd just keep them out of the light and in a cool environment. At the moment though, 10 BD-R discs ($30 each X 10 = $300) are going to be more expensive than a 250GB HDD (~$120).
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Postby Athena » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:41 am

While this is true, I have lost three harddrives in the last eight years, a total of 126GB.

I'd rather pay twice as much as long as I'm guranteed I will not have BD disc just up and die one day.
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Postby Coderjoe » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:33 am

Kionon wrote:I'd rather pay twice as much as long as I'm guranteed I will not have BD disc just up and die one day.

But you aren't garanteed that. We're just now seeing the short life span of recordable CDs.
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Postby Athena » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:28 am

Yes, I'm aware. Which is why I have moved my stuff to DVD. Things from eight years ago are actually *flaking* off the plastic cd. Hopefully DVD+Rs will hold together long enough for the new format to take the market en masse.
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Postby sigmatron » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:35 am

Coderjoe wrote:
Kionon wrote:I'd rather pay twice as much as long as I'm guranteed I will not have BD disc just up and die one day.

But you aren't garanteed that. We're just now seeing the short life span of recordable CDs.


yes, but with CD's is a 100 year life span if you put it in a case and put
into a some with ~50 to 90%F.

some thing with DVD's.
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