Question for the noobie (about animating cut outs and other)

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Postby milkmandan » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:32 pm

Ahahaha!~ good idea :)
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Postby Pianos » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:28 pm

1. The scene where it wants it is prepared in the interlace animation.
2. It outputs it with aviutl sequential number BMP.
3. BMP that has been changed is selected (About 15 pieces or less if it is 30
pieces).
4. It makes with Illustator the clipping mask (The color is noted).
# The compound passing is made with ctrl+8 if there are two or more
# masks.
# The clipping mask execution and the compound passing with ctrl+A ..
# image.. do not contain and select all passing.
# Example:The space between hairs etc. : D.
5. The animation and AI files are read to Premiere and After Effects.

An individual AI file is additionally matched to animation.

at Japanese

1. 欲しいシーンをインターレース動画で用意
2. aviutlで連番BMP出力
3. 変化しているBMPを選別(30枚なら約最大15枚ほど)
4. Illustatorでクリッピングマスク作成(色に注意)
# もし複数マスクがあるならctrl+8で複合パスを作成
# ctrl+Aでクリッピングマスク実行、複合パスは画像含まずパスすべてを選択
# 例:髪の間の隙間など:D
5. PremiereやAfter Effectsに動画とAIファイルを読み込む。

動画にあわせて1つ1つのAIファイルを合わせます。

English cannot be written well.

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Postby Pianos » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:48 pm

A postscript is added to Illustrator:
Positional, fixed frame 720x480 etc. are matched to video size and after
the AI file is concealed and the preservation clipping mask is executed of
all, Ichi ctrl+A has already been pushed, and it is 0.5pix and # 333333 as
for the color of the pool.

Example of AfterEffects:
Three AI files are done repeatedly.
The on:It is set soft lei in Blur smoothness 5-10.
Center:Or soft lei usually
The under:It set overlays it to 90 degrees 5-10 in the Blur direction.
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Postby gangstaj8 » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:04 pm

Yay! Looks I don't have to write up a detail on greenscreening for you, Milkman. (procrastination strikes again...) Frame by frame is very tedious anyway, so I hope you can figure out AE. If you'd still like some pointers with green-screen, I don't mind sharing, but just don't mistake me for a pro when it comes to Photoshop. Good luck.
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Postby milkmandan » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:33 am

i am sorry, but i am not very Adobe Premiere savvy and Piano's explanation confused me more than anything. Can someone interpret for me, or come up with a less complicated explanation? hahahah sorry Piano~
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Postby CHAMELEON_D_H » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:49 am

He uses Adobe Ilustrator (AI) and avitul. I've never used any of them, so it's hard to tell.....
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Postby badmartialarts » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:37 pm

He used a program called aviutl to take the .avi clip he had of the scene he wanted and export it as a series of .bmp files, one for each changed frame (this is faster than trying to do every frame, sometime a frame has no movement in it so it'd be a waste to do the non-moving frames). He then uses Adobe Illustrator to draw a mask around each thing he wants to edit, deleting the whole scene and leaving just a single colored shape that is the same as the shape of the object. He writes down the color he used for that shape. He then uses that series of BMP files as image masks for each frame, setting that single color transparent so you can only see the object. Then he overlays that object onto the video. That's actualy a prety elegant way to do things, you could use the same mask with multiple shapes on it in different colors and then only set the particular shape you want's color transparent. I know what he means, but dang if I can really explain it...
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Postby milkmandan » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:27 pm

OHhh~! So it appears that Adobe Premiere cannot export a series of bmps. I must get this "aviult" program eh?
Thanks a lot badmartialarts and Piano! :)

you could use the same mask with multiple shapes on it in different colors and then only set the particular shape you want's color transparent. I know what he means, but dang if I can really explain it...
I know what you mean, it IS a smart way...
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Postby milkmandan » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:32 pm

Do i HAVE To use adobe illustrator though? could i use perhapse Photoshop or even Macromedia Fireworks to edit my bmp files?
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Postby badmartialarts » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:34 pm

Actually, Premiere CAN export a series of images. Or at least, Pro 1.5 can, I don't have any other version installed although I can safely assume Pro 2 can as well. When you go to Export/Movie..., there is a Settings button. In the Settings window that pops up, it says File Type: with a drop down box. Pick Windows BMP. Then set the Range to either Entire Sequence or Work Area Bar. The only problem with this is that you'll get all the duplicate frames (I think...Optimize Stills is auto checked so mebbe you don't), which the aviutl program that Pianos mentioned gets rid of so you don't have to waste time redoing work.
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Postby badmartialarts » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:36 pm

Double post...

If you have Photoshop, it can import Filmstrips. Use that options instead of Windows BMP to save yourself some time.
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Postby milkmandan » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:52 am

i think i'll just learn to use aviutl. after all it does eliminate double frames so that SHOULD help as it is~ :)
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Postby Ainaelle » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:48 am

badmartialarts wrote:If you have Photoshop, it can import Filmstrips. Use that options instead of Windows BMP to save yourself some time.

Using filmstrips defies the idea of processing only the frames that change. Which is a smart thing to do, because if the animation isn't full framerate (there aren't too many anime that are), you're likely to mask two or more identical frames slightly different, and it's gonna show.

Filmstrips are cool, but for other purposes. Also, unless you have 1GB+ RAM, you better save yourself and your HD some frustration.
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Postby gomez799 » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:01 pm

for the aviutl program it seems its in japanese, so its very difficult to use. Does anyone know where to get the english version if there is one?
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Postby gomez799 » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:14 pm

Edit: I found how to change to english

BtW, thanks for posting about aviult. Seems like its a very good program to use :D
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