Rap vs. Rock

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Re: Rap vs. Rock

Postby Yunacat » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:41 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Dookstar wrote:*modern rock being: Adema, Soil, Chevelle, Linkin Park(not so much here), Hedley and all those random musicians.... Non modern rock is like Queen, Motley Crew, i think yuo guys catch my drift.


I'm kind of ashamed of that definition, but ok...

For me personally, rap falls under poetry more than music. That's not to take away from it, but the musical dimension of it does tend to be rather thin. Hip-hop is another question, of course.

Rock? I think the fact that rock is a genre is a sort of illusion. You can lump everything in like you did, but then realize that a person who listens to death metal on the one hand, and a person who listens to Good Charlotte really have little in common with each other - except the fact that their music in both cases originated in rock.

In other words, that's a terrible way to generalize it all :roll:


I almost completely agree with you, except one thing. Rap IS like poetry, but all it generally talks about is getting in girl's pants, more rape, wanting a girl, etc. It's just the same thing over and over again, with a few clicks and beats in the background as an excuse for bgm, then someone talking about the same stuff mentioned in a non-singing voice. It requires no talent to speak rap, except to be able to rhyme a million things relating to clubs and getting girls. If rap is mainly by a girl, then it's about getting a guy, and their music videos are the worse, calling moving their butts up and down dancing when all it is is trying to get attention through what they think they have. Most Rap is the same to my ears, and it almost always ends up with me gaining a headache from the repetitive annoying clicking in the backgrounds. The only Rap i can stand is by Eminem because his stuff is usually either funny, or deep, and almost always has a meaning more than "i want a girl" or "i want you in bed" > >

Rock on the other hand almost always has a meaning, though i can say that sometimes it doesn't. Rock is a rough way of looking at it. There's Classic Rock, Alternative Rock, Soft Rock, Hard Rock, Metal, Thrash, Emo Rock, etc. which could ALL be considered in just the one word - Rock. It's true that someone who likes something in Thrash or Metal probably wouldn't like something in Emo Rock or Soft Rock, which is what makes the one word so rough. I like all kinds except Hard Metal (depends if they sing at all. i won't listen if it screams the whole time > >) and Thrash.

Overall, it all depends on the person, whether they like a wide variety of things or not. If they do, then they do, and if they don't, then they don't. Bottom line.

The reason that most of the songs used for AMVs are Rock is because Rock almost always has a meaning in it's music, and people try to put meanings into their videos, plus, it's been proven that most people who like anime like Rock music over most other genres of music. > >

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Postby downwithpants » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:44 pm

to be brief and admittedly to overgeneralize:
rock is better for listening.
rap is better for dancing.
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Postby Dragononfire » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:53 pm

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Postby megaman917 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:38 pm

Koyashed wrote:I'm sick of people starting topics about things they know nothing about.

I know little about rock so I dont try to act as if I do. How ever I noctice that rock fans are pretty out spoken on rap, while rap fans say nothing about other genres of music.
Ain't it the truth. :roll:

I prefer rap/hip-hop and R&B above all other genres. Love the beats, lyrics, etc. I really don't have (or need) much of a reason as to why I like rap. Many rap about the same things, but in their own way. Others, like Eminem, D12, and Kanye West make it funny or deep, and go about in their own style. Then there are the few, like Common, The Roots, Black Eyed Peas, John Cena & Tha Trademarc, Will Smith, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and others, who take a different approach to their music. And let's not forget that there is a lot more to artists than what you see and hear from them on TV and radio. (I'm not really feeling this whole Screwed&Chopped thing.)

A lot of rock and metal songs that I've heard have bored the hell out me, but there a few band that have kept me listening to their music: Disturbed, Linkin Park, Evanescense, Sevendust, Mercy Drive. Then there are those bands that I'll listen to one or two of their songs.

Bottom Line: Regardless of genre, if sounds good to me, I'll listen to it.


Yunacat wrote:Rap IS like poetry, but all it generally talks about is getting in girl's pants, more rape, wanting a girl, etc. It's just the same thing over and over again, with a few clicks and beats in the background as an excuse for bgm, then someone talking about the same stuff mentioned in a non-singing voice. It requires no talent to speak rap, except to be able to rhyme a million things relating to clubs and getting girls. If rap is mainly by a girl, then it's about getting a guy, and their music videos are the worse, calling moving their butts up and down dancing when all it is is trying to get attention through what they think they have. Most Rap is the same to my ears, and it almost always ends up with me gaining a headache from the repetitive annoying clicking in the backgrounds. The only Rap i can stand is by Eminem because his stuff is usually either funny, or deep, and almost always has a meaning more than "i want a girl" or "i want you in bed" > >

You know absolutely nothing about rap music. Your ignorance is proof of that.
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Postby Tono_Fyr » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:42 pm

Koyashed wrote:I'm sick of people starting topics about things they know nothing about.

I know little about rock so I dont try to act as if I do. How ever I noctice that rock fans are pretty out spoken on rap, while rap fans say nothing about other genres of music.

the term isnt "Sex, Drugs, and Rap"............ but blab on.
Most of the rap fans that I know hate rock because "it's all screaming, you can't understand what they're saying".

I'm on the side of "Lyrics are the least important part of the music itself, and if the music can't stand without the lyrics, then it probably isn't that good". So, mostly "rock" if you want a broad term for it, even though most of what you hear is just recycled shit (literally, it's the same four chord riff over and over for three to five minutes in most rock.)

Rap, even the stuff that I actually like, does have a tendancy to be even more repetitve than most rock, though. You can argue that there's a message in the lyrics, but for someone who cares more about the music, the message in the lyrics becomes lost.

Of course (just to cover myself) I'm not saying vocals aren't important, they can add a melodic dynamic to a song, and the mood of the lyrics can sharpen the mood of the song, I'm just saying that I value good song writing over good lyric writing any day of the week, but that doesn't mean that lyrics aren't important.
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:45 pm

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Postby x_rex30 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:11 pm

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:This thread does not deliver.
IT DOESN'T!!! O_o .. no wait you're right. -_-
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Postby Yunacat » Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:09 am

To me, lyrics are the most important things in music. Who wants to hear about someone running into a wall with a cool beat in the background? That makes no sense. The singer's ability to sing the song is 2nd, followed by the BGM.

Rap takes little or no talent, and half the people who say the lyrics aren't really singing, they're speaking.

R&B is another story. They actually sing there, which i can respect.

In Alternative, Soft, Hard, and some Metal Rock, they sing, so that's why i'll listen to them (plus the instruments sound better than computer generated clicks and repetitive beats.) Also, every 9.9 out of 10 songs from those genre's has a point.

I won't listen to Rap because they speak, and i won't listen to Thrash because they scream the whole song, which is REALLY annoying.. > >

I can't even respect Rap though. I tried once. I can only respect Eminem's because his lyrics have a point (unlike most rap), and he actually sings most of his chorus roles. Other than that, i can't stand it. It seriously gives me a severe headache.
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Postby JOE_Greezy » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:10 pm

Yunacat wrote:To me, lyrics are the most important things in music. Who wants to hear about someone running into a wall with a cool beat in the background? That makes no sense. The singer's ability to sing the song is 2nd, followed by the BGM.

Rap takes little or no talent, and half the people who say the lyrics aren't really singing, they're speaking.

R&B is another story. They actually sing there, which i can respect.

In Alternative, Soft, Hard, and some Metal Rock, they sing, so that's why i'll listen to them (plus the instruments sound better than computer generated clicks and repetitive beats.) Also, every 9.9 out of 10 songs from those genre's has a point.

I won't listen to Rap because they speak, and i won't listen to Thrash because they scream the whole song, which is REALLY annoying.. > >

I can't even respect Rap though. I tried once. I can only respect Eminem's because his lyrics have a point (unlike most rap), and he actually sings most of his chorus roles. Other than that, i can't stand it. It seriously gives me a severe headache.


This is quite possibly the biggest deposit of verbal diarrhea I have ever seen. Most rap doesn't have a point but Eminem's does? What a load of absolute horseshit, the majority of Em's songs are pitiful and are about stupid shit like killing people, raping people, drugs, insulting others etc.

The Roots, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique, MF DOOM aka Viktor Vaughn, Deltron 3030, Mos Def, Common, Slug, Aesop Rock, Murs, Eyedea, Canibus, Dead Prez, Jeru Da Damaja, Wu-Tang, Jean Grae,Joe Budden, Masta Ace (these are all off the top of my head) all have a message behind their songs and are much better than listening to some angry guy rap about stuff that never happened to him or that he'll never do.

And rap isn't singing it's closer to poetry than anything and it takes a lot more skill than most people give it credit for. In fact if rap is so easy and takes no talent why don't you record a rap song (won't be hard it takes NO skill according to you) then upload it so us at the org can listen to it.
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Postby madbunny » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:36 pm

this is why VS threads always wind up getting locked.


The original question: Rap vs rock, which to you prefer and why?

Why don't we just stick to listing some positive things about the genre that we like and leave it at that?

EG: I like rock because the stuff that I listen to relates to me.
I like rap because it has a raw edgy sound to it that gets my blood moving.
My favorite rap groups are Ithaka and Papa Roach.

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Postby megaman917 » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:22 pm

madbunny wrote:this is why VS threads always wind up getting locked.


The original question: Rap vs rock, which to you prefer and why?

Why don't we just stick to listing some positive things about the genre that we like and leave it at that?

EG: I like rock because the stuff that I listen to relates to me.
I like rap because it has a raw edgy sound to it that gets my blood moving.
My favorite rap groups are Ithaka and Papa Roach.

See?

Do you honestly expect such a thread, as this one, to exist, without some moron coming in and flaming and making idiotic generalizations about Rap music (or other genres), which they know absolutely nothing about; causing Rap (or other genre) fans to come in and defend, try set everyone straight, and indirectly tell the morons to fuck off? Come on, man!

Yunacat wrote:I can't even respect Rap though. I tried once. I can only respect Eminem's because his lyrics have a point (unlike most rap), and he actually sings most of his chorus roles. Other than that, i can't stand it. It seriously gives me a severe headache.

I've said before and I'll say again; you know absolutely nothing about rap.

According to you, Eminem's lyrics have a point. As much as I love Eminem's music, I fail to see the point in the songs listed below. Help me out here.
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Remember Me?
Drug Ballad
Amityville
Under The Influence
Criminal

The Eminem Show
Business
Square Dance
Drips
Without Me
Superman
When The Music Stops
My Dad's Gone Crazy

Encore
Evil Deeds
Puke
My 1st Single
Rain Man
Just Lose It
Ass Like That
Crazy In Love
One Shot 2 Shot

Curtain Call The Hits
FACK
Shake That
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Postby madbunny » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:02 pm

megaman917 wrote:Do you honestly expect such a thread, as this one, to exist, without some moron coming in and flaming and making idiotic generalizations about Rap music (or other genres), which they know absolutely nothing about; causing Rap (or other genre) fans to come in and defend, try set everyone straight, and indirectly tell the morons to fuck off? Come on, man!

Hey, I can hope.

megaman wrote:
Yunacat wrote:stuff

I've said before and I'll say again; you know absolutely nothing about rap.

You know, as much as what she (?) says is a generalization sometimes it feels the same way to me. Where I work, that's all that my students ever bring with them. So, sure there are lots of great artists out there... but that's not what I'm hearing clicking and clacking out of my students headphones. What I'm hearing isn't all that great and wonderful meaningfull stuff. It's like going to one concert say... Inland Invasion ( The Arcade Fire, 311, Oasis, Madness, Live, Jet, Garbage, Cake, The Bravery, Bloc Party, Beck, Inland Invasion, Weezer) and basing your entire perception of the genre presented from a few select acts.

So, intellectually I will concede that you are 100% correct. My real world experience is different though. Lucky for me, I get to pick and choose what I want to listen to, thus impacting nobody other than myself.
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Postby x_rex30 » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:48 am

Yunacat wrote:To me, lyrics are the most important things in music.
I sure as hell don't agree with that.. I hate the people that tell me they wont listen to music unless it has lyrics in it. Give me a break.. :roll:
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Postby x_rex30 » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:50 am

megaman wrote:
Yunacat wrote:stuff

I've said before and I'll say again; you know absolutely nothing about rap.
And I would also like to add nothing about music.. hehe
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Postby x_rex30 » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:56 am

Koyashed wrote:I'm sick of people starting topics about things they know nothing about.

I know little about rock so I dont try to act as if I do. How ever I noctice that rock fans are pretty out spoken on rap, while rap fans say nothing about other genres of music.
srry.. no edit button.. soo. .TRIPLE POST!!

actually I've experience the total opposite growing up.
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