Some Videos No Longer Available [Follow-up]

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:50 am

I have a question that wasnt answered in the first thread:

will the AMVs that once had local downloads get their ops freed up? cause as of now they cannot recieve opinions (or atleast last I checked)...

due to the "you must download the local video inorder to leave an opinion rule" I am sure that their opinions have been locked... I am sure that there is no "easy way" to do it, but I am curious to know if it can be done or if its even been thought of.

PS most of the Boycott stuff I am sure was first reaction... atleast it was for me.. o.0

nilyak86 · Post by **nilyak86** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:01 am

First of all I want to sincerely thank Phade for all that he does to maintain this site and for representing this community in legal matters such as the one recently faced. I am very grateful.

Secondly, my step-dad is a lawyer so if there are any legal questions I can help clear up, I would be happy to talk things over with my step-dad and then post his take on the situation.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:15 am

I for one would like to say this is a Hobby, a great hobby with a great community... I have met so many wonderful people and has so many friends from it that no one, not even the music industry will ever take that away no matter what they do.. And that's what's important.... So long as we love making AMVs and don't start down the road of political torment over it, it will remain being fun...

Lets not let this incident consume us all and take away our already limited time. I think our best weapon is in the strength of our community and passions for our collective hobby… if we let that go, then we’ve already lost everything….

It now almost December, so it's time to get to creative juices flowing once again so more new and awesome videos for next year...

Vlad

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:02 am

dj_ultima_the_great wrote:I am a fan of Evanescence. Just because I happen to like that one band out of many, many others, does not mean I have a "crappy" taste in music. I am not going to stop buying their CDs just because of this incident. For those of you who had already chosen not to purchase the albums of the three bands, that is fine. Anyone can respect that. But do not put some cheap label like "boycotting" on it. You never bought that music in the first place; why should you suddenly make a big deal of that action now? What you are doing is not some grand crusade. It is merely your normal listening habit - just as my purchasing of the album is a normal listening habit.

Okay, so what about the people who WERE buying their CDs before and now decided to stop?

TehShere wrote:As a side note, I wonder if any of those bands took the time to watch any of the videos here.

Amy Lee of Evanescence has seen and enjoyed at least one of the videos to her band's music here (I believe it was at A-Kon 2002 or 2003 before the band got big; check the video info).

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:36 am

Scintilla wrote:Okay, so what about the people who WERE buying their CDs before and now decided to stop?

They need to get their priorities straight.

jethropr · Post by **jethropr** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:37 am

JaddziaDax wrote:due to the "you must download the local video inorder to leave an opinion rule"

you sure?

Last time I checked, ops could be given to any video, but only star ratings and quick comments could be given to local downloads.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:54 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Lets not let this incident consume us all and take away our already limited time. I think our best weapon is in the strength of our community and passions for our collective hobby… if we let that go, then we’ve already lost everything….

It now almost December, so it's time to get to creative juices flowing once again so more new and awesome videos for next year...

Good points all. I need just two more weeks of sleep........

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Here is an article that has been passed around the Web for years as a must-read:10 Big Myths About Copyright Explained (Has anyone posted this yet?)

I also came across this article about a different lock on the use of cartoon characters. Copyright cops crack down on cooks over cakes (06/16/2005) Especially note the response at the bottom of the page by EFF attorney, Jason Schultz.

Yet kids love culture, as we all do. And their love of copyrighted and trademarked characters helps make those characters valuable, just as the creators' inspiration and skill have. Consider if no child loved Dora the Explorer; how valuable would the copyrights and trademarks in the character actually be? Not very. Yet the love and obsession of fans do not garner any "property rights" in the character or any rights at all, according the (copyright) maximalists.

Qyot27 · Post by **Qyot27** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:27 am

Scintilla wrote:
TehShere wrote:As a side note, I wonder if any of those bands took the time to watch any of the videos here.
Amy Lee of Evanescence has seen and enjoyed at least one of the videos to her band's music here (I believe it was at A-Kon 2002 or 2003 before the band got big; check the video info).

This was the video, I believe:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... id_id=2580

(not to be confused with the Shamanic Princess video done to the version of Imaginary from Fallen which was shown at at least MegaCon '04, wheras that one used the version from Origin, I believe)

Of particular interest is one of the comments rubyeye made in one of the two opinions that were made public. It definitely validates the age.

All in all, though, I agree with Vlad, in that this shouldn't be a big deal, just let it go and move on. Worrying and getting worked up over this won't solve anything but ruin one's resolve to do anything AMV-related, which would be a real shame, considering I'd like to think most of the editors here do this because they personally enjoy it, not because having it for public download is a big ego-boost if it's popular (or because one just wants to point and squeal to their friends about being 'somebody' on the Internet

). Sure, this may take a chunk out of enthusiasm for a little while, but like I mention in the next paragraph, other means will always be available providing the right circumstances are met.

The Org was around for nearly 3 years (right? I can't remember if the date was in late 2000 or late 1999) before the Carrot or the Donut even went online, and in addition to that, it's not like the Org was the staging ground of the creation of the AMV - there have been, and will always be convention contests and expos as long as the organizers pay the various types of licensing fees they do, since that was the issue it came down to ultimately.

My only concern is that any further action against the Org by the record industry at large will not just be simple C&D orders, but attacks of greater damage, whether against Phade and the rest of the site administration, or against individual editors. If all it comes down to are simple C&D orders, it just means that eventually, the only videos with available links will be non-RIAA and other labels that decide to jump on this, and then it would default to the same system that has been used up to now - if the artist doesn't want you using their music, it gets removed. Hopefully in these cases, the artist would directly contact the editor, as I doubt that after taking the RIAA and bandwagon labels away, that the music being used would be similar enough that it would need a blanket ban; it would be practical to contact individual editors and request that it be taken down. This has happened before, to greenjinjo.

Like everyone else, though, my thanks do go out to Phade in defusing this situation in the best way available, and diverting more extreme action being taken.

Ileia · Post by **Ileia** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:34 am

jethropr wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:due to the "you must download the local video inorder to leave an opinion rule"
you sure?

Last time I checked, ops could be given to any video, but only star ratings and quick comments could be given to local downloads.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=58238

[Mike of the Desert] · Post by **[Mike of the Desert]** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:24 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
Lets not let this incident consume us all and take away our already limited time. I think our best weapon is in the strength of our community and passions for our collective hobby… if we let that go, then we’ve already lost everything….

It now almost December, so it's time to get to creative juices flowing once again so more new and awesome videos for next year...

Really true. =) Even if someone (like me) is working on a project featuring this group, we're been really lucky and this don't mean we don't have to continue our work. =)

Is not the end of the community, we can only hope that this is a single case and that will not happen again with anyone else. Let's put ourself in this passion, creating.