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Re: $ = attention

Postby bum » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:58 am

Alternababe wrote:I personally do not support advertising in any form, because I think there is too much on the web already.


You realise that without advertising tv shows, web sites, magazines, newspapers and radio wouldnt exist. Advertising is a wonderfull thing. Without it most people here would be dead bored 99% of the time.
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Re: $ = attention

Postby celibi87 » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:45 am

bum wrote:You realise that without advertising tv shows, web sites, magazines, newspapers and radio wouldnt exist. Advertising is a wonderfull thing. Without it most people here would be dead bored 99% of the time.

i dont know about that. i can live without tv, newspapers and radio.
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Re: $ = attention

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:12 pm

Alternababe wrote:Google on the .org?! The world is coming to an end...(thinks about paying bills vs. donating.....) If everyone gets their shit together & donates, will the ads go away? Not just as an option, but for everyone? I personally do not support advertising in any form, because I think there is too much on the web already.




The adds aren't really an issue. o.o;;
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Re: $ = attention

Postby trythil » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:19 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
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The adds aren't really an issue. o.o;;


Maybe not for you.

What I was pointing out, though, is that you don't have to see this stuff, and thus fighting it, for now, is moot. When advertising systems find a way to force themselves upon you, then you can start the fight up again.
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Postby tchize » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:25 pm

You know why i didn't pledge, even a small amount?

Because in europe we simply use bank accounts to transfer money.

I would donate immediatly if i saw an IBAN and a SWIFT number on the webpage. I have no bank checks here and will never send money using mail. I don't want to use paypal because i don't have a paypal account. And last time i wanted to open one, it asked my credit card number to identify me. I do not trust paypal to keep my credit card number safe.
I would probably not pay a great amount (i use a-m-v.org only from times to times) but i would pay a bit :)
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Postby Jnzk » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:29 pm

Maybe the Org could open a bank account for donations in Europe? Intra-EU bank transfers are cheap and easy.
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Postby tchize » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:33 pm

They are not cheap they are free. :)
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Postby Jnzk » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:35 pm

Well it depends on your bank's charges of course. (They're free for me too.)
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Postby JCD » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:17 pm

That'd be a great thing, I would prefer donating this way, too :)
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Postby Kasuga Ayumu » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:29 pm

Seconded!
I don't think I will go through the whole "Pledge, save the donation page to disk, put it on my webserver, tell someone i know to click the donate via paypal button, send him the money" mess again when my donation status expires in a few days.

An IBAN, now that would save me all steps but the last one and it would save the Org the paypal fees.
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Re: $ = attention

Postby azulmagia » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:50 pm

bum wrote:
Alternababe wrote:I personally do not support advertising in any form, because I think there is too much on the web already.


You realise that without advertising tv shows, web sites, magazines, newspapers and radio wouldnt exist. Advertising is a wonderfull thing. Without it most people here would be dead bored 99% of the time.


Yeah, but if you don't watch any media that have ad content in it, and still buy consumer products, you have to pay a "tax" in the price of the stuff to pay for the advertising you don't watch. :? Plus, advertising is fucking EVERYWHERE, it's on the TV, on the Radio, on the Internet, in Magazines (have you read a fashion magazine recently? I was perusing one fashion magazine a couple of weeks ago and it literally took 20 pages to get to the table of contents, and it took like two minutes for me find the Gwyneth Paltrow layout I was looking for. The magazine was like 500 pages long, it was worse than an manga phonebook.) in the fucking Movie theatres :evil: and even the fucking telephone. :evil: :evil: The more advertising there is, the more its effects are negated or diluted due to sheer overload - so what does that mean? MORE advertising. Admen are constantly looking for more spaces to exploit - I could relate some real horror stories that would outrage you. So, no thanks.

Why not write a book on the entire AMV phenomenon? There are books on anime, on manga, on how to draw manga, on how to draw specialized manga genres, on hentai anime, so why the hell can't there be a book on Anime Music Videos? Just publish the guides in hard copy, throw in a few interviews with prominent AMV creators, add a detailed history of anime music videos, put in a list of the best 100 AMVs yet created, and voila, you have a very cool book the royalties of which can fund the Org. There's a well known Yu-Gi-Oh site that did something like this, I can't remember the URL though.
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Re: $ = attention

Postby Scintilla » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:55 pm

azulmagia wrote:Why not write a book on the entire AMV phenomenon? There are books on anime, on manga, on how to draw manga, on how to draw specialized manga genres, on hentai anime, so why the hell can't there be a book on Anime Music Videos? Just publish the guides in hard copy, throw in a few interviews with prominent AMV creators, add a detailed history of anime music videos, put in a list of the best 100 AMVs yet created, and voila, you have a very cool book the royalties of which can fund the Org. There's a well known Yu-Gi-Oh site that did something like this, I can't remember the URL though.

Because our hobby is legally shady and we're trying to keep on the down-low so as not to attract the attention of the RIAA?

That would be my reason, anyway.
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Re: $ = attention

Postby azulmagia » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:02 pm

Scintilla wrote:Because our hobby is legally shady and we're trying to keep on the down-low so as not to attract the attention of the RIAA?

That would be my reason, anyway.


Well, dope heads publish stuff too and their hobby is a shade more shady than ours. Plus, the RIAA thing is probably inevitable anyway. Keeping too low a profile can keep a person from potential allies as well as potential enemies.
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Postby ShadowOfTwilight » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:56 pm

Scintilla wrote:Because our hobby is legally shady and we're trying to keep on the down-low so as not to attract the attention of the RIAA?

That would be my reason, anyway.


I agree with about half of that. Our hobby is only semi-legally shady, if you think about it. Footage capture? If it's downloaded (ick) then yes. And true, technically we are redistributing the data, which is arguably even more "ick" than d/led footage.

At the same time, azulmagia's got a point. What we do isn't copy footage, nor is it redistribution of that copied footage. What we do is art. We take something, chop it up into itty-bitty-pieces, rearrange it, and turn it into something that is--if we're lucky--greater than the whole.

If we were to do this, we would have to do it carefully. Focus on the art of making a vid... or even on the process of making a vid itself. The story of an AMV creator, first person fiction. Just because the character rips footage doesn't mean it's encouraging others to do the same... not if we put a disclaimer, of course.

I think doing a combo, guide + story, would be an ace idea. Yeah, it sounds crazy, but think about it. How do you make a good vid? Watch someone. Watch them get their inspiration, watch them plan it out, watch them do their best and put it on the 'org for the rest of the world to see. I can't find a reason for why it wouldn't work.

BTW, I second Zarxrax's idea about bandwidth caps. Helps with both bandwith limits and donation status. I really think we should find a way to make it work.

BTW/BTW: I was previewing the post and realized something: what would work even better than a story? A manga about making an AMV! As one of the ads here says, "don't forget your roots"!
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Re: Guide

Postby trythil » Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:51 pm

ShadowOfTwilight wrote:I agree with about half of that. Our hobby is only semi-legally shady, if you think about it. Footage capture? If it's downloaded (ick) then yes. And true, technically we are redistributing the data, which is arguably even more "ick" than d/led footage.

At the same time, azulmagia's got a point. What we do isn't copy footage, nor is it redistribution of that copied footage. What we do is art. We take something, chop it up into itty-bitty-pieces, rearrange it, and turn it into something that is--if we're lucky--greater than the whole.

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You do realize that none of that forms a tenable legal defense for the crime of copyright infringement, yes?

The "art" argument is bullshit. To do that, you're relying on vague notions of fair use. If you have the lawyers and money to back that up, good for you, but most of us don't.

To get this back on topic: I think Phade stated a while back that if he ever was served with some sort of legal action, he'd take the site down immediately. So.
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