i find it funny... [re: amv copyright infringment]

This forum is for the general discussion of Anime Music Videos.

Postby Kusoyaro » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:24 pm

JCD wrote:Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE :D


And then we can use our AMVs to make MONEY!! :twisted:



OH WAIT :shock:
I have no idea how to use this new forum.
User avatar
Kusoyaro
LEGENDARY!!!
 
Joined: 16 Jan 2001
Location: HOT FUCKING

Postby Brad » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:30 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:
JCD wrote:Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE :D


And then we can use our AMVs to make MONEY!! :twisted:



OH WAIT :shock:


LAAAAAAME
Image
Ask Brad an After Effects Question! - Forum - Site
User avatar
Brad
 
Joined: 20 Dec 2000
Location: Chicago, IL

Postby trythil » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:31 pm

JCD wrote:This is great news.

I was never worried about anime copyright holders since they support AMVs - we already know that. But people trying to get a fair use clause set up for our works is more than great. Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE :D
/me dreams


The "fair use" clause already exists.

In practice, though, it is useless, because (1) it is very vague re: its applications to AMVs (here's the U.S. fair use clause: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 ) and (2) you need a lawyer (read: expensive) to make use of it.

Furthermore, AMVs are not subject to just U.S. copyright law. In most cases the copyrights as detailed by the Berne Convention also apply, and the definition of fair use there is a bit different ( http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/10.html ). I'm not a lawyer, so I won't say yes or no on this, but I don't think you can say that an AMV is merely composed of "quotations".

older_gohan wrote:AMV's aren't hurting the companies who copywrited it because they aren't showing the whole things. Infact it would be more or less promoting the anime because it's giving parts in a appealing way which would help people who want to see it.


MortalGathum wrote:essentially the same thing


I don't think you get it. This isn't a matter of us inflicting harm on them, even though they say it is. It is a matter of who retains control, and for how long, over creative properties.

That may sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracy, and, to some extent, it is. Consider, however, that the MPAA is working to destroy even conservative efforts to limit copyright terms (see the Eldred Act's progress). The RIAA is starting to wise up a bit, although their latest round of lawsuits place the emphasis on the "bit" part.
This is a block of text that can be added to posts you make. There is a 512 character limit.
trythil
is
 
Joined: 23 Jul 2002
Location: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Postby trythil » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:35 pm

[quote=trythil]
I don't think you get it. This isn't a matter of us inflicting harm on them, even though they say it is. It is a matter of who retains control, and for how long, over creative properties.
[/quote]

I suppose we can discuss the degree of compensation, too.
This is a block of text that can be added to posts you make. There is a 512 character limit.
trythil
is
 
Joined: 23 Jul 2002
Location: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Postby Castor Troy » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:41 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:
JCD wrote:Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE :D


And then we can use our AMVs to make MONEY!! :twisted:



OH WAIT :shock:


Sounds like the bootleg DDR dvds that were sold at cons.
Image
"Vlad, you will not get my new blockbuster video. Sorry bro." - Chemix800, Hollywood Editor
User avatar
Castor Troy
Ryan Molina, A.C.E
 
Joined: 16 Jan 2001
Location: California
Status: Retired from AMVs

Postby Kalium » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:15 pm

I guess nightmares do come true. If the recording industry didn't know about this before, they certainly do now.

I'm going to see if I can find a video of Prof. Lessig's talk, or failing that, a transcript. Maybe I can get one of my friends to put me in touch with him (I have a few connections in the IP reform movement).
User avatar
Kalium
Sir Bugsalot
 
Joined: 03 Oct 2003
Location: Plymouth, Michigan

Postby Pwolf » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:22 pm

Kalium wrote:I guess nightmares do come true. If the recording industry didn't know about this before, they certainly do now.


certainly doubt the music industry has never heard of us... if they havn't i'd be surprised.


Pwolf
ImageImage
ImageImage
Like the AMV .Org App? Think about donating to help me make it better.
User avatar
Pwolf
Friendly Neighborhood Pwaffle
 
Joined: 03 May 2001
Location: Some where in California, I forgot :\

Postby Kalium » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:36 pm

Pwolf wrote:certainly doubt the music industry has never heard of us... if they havn't i'd be surprised.

In the past, it may have been ignorable. Now, though, AMVs have been brought up by one of their most visible and influential critics.
User avatar
Kalium
Sir Bugsalot
 
Joined: 03 Oct 2003
Location: Plymouth, Michigan

Postby Corran » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:46 pm

www.rpgfilms.net The RIAA knows about them and they are still up. >_>
User avatar
Corran
 
Joined: 14 Oct 2002

Postby trythil » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:47 pm

Kalium wrote:I guess nightmares do come true. If the recording industry didn't know about this before, they certainly do now.


AMVs are hardly the only example of illegal art to go after, and it certainly isn't really even the best example. (That's irrelevant, but whatever.)

Check out http://www.illegal-art.org/ . There's a lot more out there. I doubt this'll make things substantially worse...
This is a block of text that can be added to posts you make. There is a 512 character limit.
trythil
is
 
Joined: 23 Jul 2002
Location: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Postby TaranT » Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:34 am

Pie Row Maniac wrote:
Kusoyaro wrote:
funky music videos set to popular songs


Is that what I spend my free time making? :cry:

I kinda like the idea of my videos being seen as "funky"

It makes more sense if you use funk for the video. :)

Lessig wrote an article for the July issue of Wired (it's not online, or I can't find it at their site). He wrote about an attempt by the staff at Creative Commons to post a recording of some of their supporters singing "Happy Birthday" (wrt to the first anniversary of the Free Culture Movement).

Believe it or not, "Happy Birthday To You", the same song little kids sing at every birthday party, is copyrighted. Until 2030. Technically, you can't sing it without getting permission.

Lessig wrote:For $800 a year, we'd have the rights to sing "Happy Birthday" on the Web, but not podcast it.

CC agreed, but Warner later withdrew the offer without explanation. I don't know if they ever posted the recording since they had an internal argument about encouraging copyright infringement.

Oh, and if you "camcord" your kid's birthday party, post the video at your own risk.
TaranT
 
Joined: 16 May 2001

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:57 am

I just wish Miyazaki would sue me... Just being in the same court house with the anime god himself would make it all worht it :D

Vlad
User avatar
Vlad G Pohnert
 
Joined: 02 Jan 2001
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Postby ssj4lonewolf » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:36 am

i dont understand why copywriters and such see that this is growth and it just makes stuff popular. We wouldnt be doing this shit if we didnt love to do it, or really like the anime we do it off of. Further more, no amv company has released an officall statement about amv....

Or have they....

*Srughs*
Oh god, that black dude with the afro is always making those damn trash ass music hip hop amvs...he needs to do something with techno or rock....
.......as if I would do something like that.
おおかみなく
User avatar
ssj4lonewolf
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Location: Stuck in Hell, i mean Phoenix....

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:50 am

ssj4lonewolf wrote:i dont understand why copywriters and such see that this is growth and it just makes stuff popular. We wouldnt be doing this shit if we didnt love to do it, or really like the anime we do it off of. Further more, no amv company has released an officall statement about amv....

Or have they....

*Srughs*


We're not worried about Anime companies. They are not the problem... the RIAA is the wildcard; and even if you're legally in the right, they can bleed you dry via the cost of our legal system.
Another Anime Convention AMV Contest Coordinator 2008-2014 & Head of the AAC Fan-works Theater - follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/AACFanTheater
:sorcerer: :sorcerer: |RD: "Oh, Action!" (side-by-side) | |
User avatar
BasharOfTheAges
Just zis guy, you know?
 
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Merrimack, NH
Status: Extreeeeeeeeeme

Postby Castor Troy » Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:40 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:I just wish Miyazaki would sue me... Just being in the same court house with the anime god himself would make it all worht it :D

Vlad


With him looking at you with every angry face imaginable. :evil: :P
Image
"Vlad, you will not get my new blockbuster video. Sorry bro." - Chemix800, Hollywood Editor
User avatar
Castor Troy
Ryan Molina, A.C.E
 
Joined: 16 Jan 2001
Location: California
Status: Retired from AMVs

PreviousNext

Return to General AMV

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Copycat_Revolver and 1 guest