Quality or Quantity?

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Postby requiett » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:26 pm

The reason I'm trying to tell you this is a pretentious conversation is because you're attempting to classify a really subjective topic with only two variables: QUALITY and QUANTITY. I was just under the impression that this was a community about individual and free ideas, not broad generalizations. I'm shocked at all the long-ass responses to this thread. I thought you people were smarter than this.
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:42 pm

requiett wrote:you're attempting to classify a really subjective topic with only two variables... I'm shocked at all the long-ass responses to this thread. I thought you people were smarter than this.

And if you'd bother to read any of those long-ass responses, you'd see that people know this is a subjective topic with two variables, and each has opinions about it. The topic is as intelligent or unintelligent as the discussion dictates, and when people like you come in and shit all over the place, it's bound to be unintelligent. Intelligent conversation usually starts with a generalization, and then people pick it apart.

It's already been stated in this thread several times that "quality" can be different for different people.
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Postby Beowulf » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:35 pm

Quantity != lots of bad videos.

Fluxmeister in 2001-2003 cranked out a video a month that was better than 99% of any video you'd seen. Some people go slow, some people go fast, some people suck, some people rock.

But, its a good general rule that slower = better and faster = worse.

There are notable exceptions however, such as WTF by Fluxmeister that was made in 2 days and is quite possibly the best video in history.

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Postby downwithpants » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:37 pm

recently, ive been goin weighting quantity> quality to meet some deadlines. otherwise i usually don't rush and i produce in fairly low quantity. at the same time my quality isn't too high either, but that's not by choice.

as a viewer, quality > quantity. studies have shown that the intensity of pleasure/pain of a stimulus is more strongly correlated with how pleasant/painful the subject remembers it than how long (analagous to quantity of pleasure/pain samplings) the stimulus is. i'd rather see one great vid than a bunch of ok ones.

staces wrote:I've seen some creators who have massive quantities of crap videos, and they've been making crap videos for years and will probably always make crap videos. But what gets me are the creators who have 5 or less videos, that they spent months making each one that are as equally crappy as the vids of the creators with lots. I mean, those "quality" over quantity people actually had to try to suck.

it could be that the low quantity creators have these things called lives.
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Postby anneke » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:25 pm

The thread wasn't to try and put everything into just two variables, but to discuss AMVs and AMV creation based on those two various in the hopes that people would look beyond the 'standard' deffinition and qualifications or sterotypes that people put to those variables.

I think this thread has been very interesting, and intellegent. Where Quantity doesn't = Good or Bad.

I think we can still discuss more on Quality...

So does time spent = Quality?

I have to wonder about this as the videos I've won awards with have taken far less time on average then videos I spent alot of time on and figured would win awards but didn't.

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Postby Knowname » Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:07 pm

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anneke wrote:It also seems alot of people are thinking that quantity = crap.

I don't think Quantity is a bad thing. I look at some creators and see the massive amount of Quantity they have, and it's good quality over all.

Take two creators, one (Creator X) who has only 1 or 2 high quality videos, and another creator (Creator Y) who has 20+ videos that are all pretty good, but just not at the same 'quality' as Creator X.


I've been looking at it from the extremes. People who have actually specified I'm just going to put out as many videos as I can usually do have bad vids, but people who say I wanna put out the best video I can do have great videos.

For someone to have alot of good videos, I think that just means they've found a good balance between the two.


I could probly make a bunch of mediocre to good videos based on their merrit and the minimal preplanning I do just by playing the song in the background, all I'd have to do is skip the three month polishing stage that I typically have, yep a video a week max, sometimes 2. Will they be good? will I be proud of them? Is a fly proud of each and every one of it's maggots??

Answer- of coarse, but that is not the POINT. If you feal differently then I'm all ears, but I have tried it both ways and, frankley, I get more satisfaction knowing I did my BEST rather then just releiving stress. Yes, like Castor Troy, I have a billion ideas swimming through my head and I REALLY would love to release the stress just by spitting these out, but if you ARE truley doing this for yourself and not for recognition, take your time, buy a notebook.

As Arigatomina brought up IF there were less creators around here maybe I'd feal differently... but I see no shortage...
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Postby Knowname » Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:13 pm

downwithpants wrote:it could be that the low quantity creators have these things called lives.


or at least pretend to....
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Postby Pwolf » Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:18 pm

i don't nessesarily think an editor who makes a lot of vidoes in a relitivly short period of time, compaired to one who doesn't, will make lower quality videos. look at Steakslim, the guy is a machine. i think just about every video he pumps out is amazing in its own right and he pumps these things out like nothing...

same goes for the visa versa. i don't think someone who spends more time on a video will produce something "good". but i think about 90% of the time, the more time spent on improving one's video by either looking for better scenes to use, checking your timing, editing the audio, using effects, and even just spend the time to make sure your source is the best it can be will create a better, more enjoyable video overal.

But there is only so much time you can spend editing before your just wasting your time. at some point durring the edit process you have to say "i'm done". weither thats after 4 hours of editing or 4 months of editing. either way, the end result can be "good" or "bad".

There is a completely different factor that comes into play to determine weither or not a video will be "good" or "bad" based on time of completion. I'm not exactly sure what that is, but i'm thinking it's a combination of how complex your concept/idea is, how much experience you have editing, and how well you can execute your concept and ideas in the video. if you have all three of those down, you'll probably make a good or decent video in a short amount of time.

i think it mostly comes down to experience. if you don't have a lot of experience editing, the complexity of the video would probably slow you down a little and will effect how well you can exicute your idea. considering i don't do a lot of effects, an effect video would take a lot longer for me to finish then someone else, say, Zarxrax. i'd spend more time figuring out how to make the effect then making it fit with what i'm trying to accomplish. i'd probably either give on the effect or release the video with a halfassed version of it which would created a less the satisfactory video("when knives and waffles meet" anyone?). but if i had spent more time on trying to learn the effects and making it look good and fit my concept, the video would probbaly be much better.

anyway, those are my thoughts on the subject. i need to stop typing before i realize i'm late for class >.>


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Postby Scandia » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:34 pm

I usually go for quality if I really like the series. Otherwise quantity if there are a lot of ideas inside my mind but none of them stands out.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:05 am

Beowulf wrote:There are notable exceptions however, such as WTF by Fluxmeister that was made in 2 days and is quite possibly the best video in history.

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Knowname wrote:
downwithpants wrote:it could be that the low quantity creators have these things called lives.


or at least pretend to....


I dont think it really matters how many "days" a person spends on a project mostly because for me I can do a project in a day, and it turn out atleast somewhat decent... BUT it all depends on many factors:

1. do I have a very clear idea of what I want to acomplish? (aka planning)
2. do I know how to do the effects I want?
3. do I have a life, a job or a distraction keeping me from working on the video? or do I really WANT to work on this video?

I recently scrapped a video I have spent several hours on (in the span of several weeks) because I really didnt want to work on it... if I wanted to finish it then it would probably be a neat video, but since I didnt want to work on it it would more than likely turn out dull..

in general I dont have a life so I have been known to finish a video in a day or two, because I have nothing else to do cept work on my video... granted at the same time my videos dont really have really any big super duper special effects, but at the same time I think that a song dictates that... most of my songs lately have been pretty simplistic.

but I have noticed that with more and more videos I have done the more "fine-tuning" I want to do as well.... and even then it wont be till after a project has been done for a couple of weeks that I will notice other "errors" or things I could have done differently... and instead of Remastering the video I would rather work on a new project.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:46 pm

Flint the Dwarf wrote:
requiett wrote:you're attempting to classify a really subjective topic with only two variables... I'm shocked at all the long-ass responses to this thread. I thought you people were smarter than this.

And if you'd bother to read any of those long-ass responses, you'd see that people know this is a subjective topic with two variables, and each has opinions about it. The topic is as intelligent or unintelligent as the discussion dictates, and when people like you come in and shit all over the place, it's bound to be unintelligent. Intelligent conversation usually starts with a generalization, and then people pick it apart.

It's already been stated in this thread several times that "quality" can be different for different people.


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I think the same as Pwolf, between Quality and Quantity, I would of course choose Quality. But.. What Quality means heavily depends from multiple factors. And about this Pwolf said my opinion, I have the same thoughts. Everything is been already said here, I will probably only repeat. In fact, I quote surely some thoughts that are been posted here, the more time a video is been planned, the more time the video is been edited, the more it will be "Cured", this don't exactly means "Good", and I think "Cured" it's not the right word to tell what I want. Sorry about that, but I'm searching a term to say something like an expansion of "Take care", sorry :( Probably I've this lapsus because I'm sleepy. :'(

But the most important thing I want to say is that everything HIGLY depends from the experience of the creator.
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Postby Koopiskeva » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:12 pm

Qualintity |:
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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:15 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:Qualintity |:


In chinese, they use the same word for Quality and Quantity.
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Postby Koopiskeva » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:38 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Qualintity |:


In chinese, they use the same word for Quality and Quantity.


Does that mean that they don't care? Or care too much? Or is Osaka really mega man and Jesus is also the incredible hulk? |:
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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:46 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Qualintity |:


In chinese, they use the same word for Quality and Quantity.


Does that mean that they don't care? Or care too much? Or is Osaka really mega man and Jesus is also the incredible hulk? |:


I think the word is "bootlegging".
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