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Postby Otohiko » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:55 pm

- 1 for screwed up homonyms

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Postby Jebadia » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:56 pm

Zarxrax wrote:I can recall reading stories about Disney suing nurseries for having pictures of mickey mouse painted on the wall.


Am I the only one who found that funny?
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Postby Otohiko » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:57 pm

Jebadia wrote:
Zarxrax wrote:I can recall reading stories about Disney suing nurseries for having pictures of mickey mouse painted on the wall.


Am I the only one who found that funny?


Yes, but I believe a likeness of Mickey Mouse was found in an 16th Austrian Church since then, so....


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Postby jbone » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:57 pm

Moonlight Soldier wrote:-1 Spelling/grammar mistakes [abound] in your post. As a professional you should know how to spell.

-1 the use of lol

-1 Not naming your music producing company for verification

-1 Not naming yourself for credibility

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So far you're - 4 in the whole.

To be taken seriously please start climbing out. :roll:

As the resident grammar nazi, it's quite obvious to me that the English language merely is not his strong point, and he did not at all look foolish via his textual form of expression.
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Postby Arigatomina » Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:08 pm

Zarxrax wrote:Actually, fanart and doujinshi and such is illegal as well.

Not in Japan, and not if they're made in Japan and sold in the United States at conventions and in manga stores. They aren't like bootlegs or amvs, it's entirely intellectual copyright, based on the original character designs rather than the licensed (or unlicensed) anime shows. Most doujinshi are legal up to a point - they can't charge more than it takes to cover their expenses, and they're limited on the number of copies they can make of a single book. There are some groups, like Clamp, that won't allow doujinshi, but most do, and the US license holders can't say a word about those 'fanbooks' that were made before they purchased their licenses, let alone the doujinshi for anime that have not been (and probably won't be) licensed in the US. As for fanart made inside the US, if it's not an exact copy of the original design, it's considered a parody, a derivative based on, but not reproducing. This is very common in written work, my favorite example being "Wind Done Gone" - the black version of 'Gone with the Wind'. The writer didn't appreciate the 'parody', but the courts ruled against her since none of the original material was reproduced. It was just taken, flipped onto its head, and thrown back at her. Great thing about art and writing (as opposed to amvs that reproduce physical property off encrypted dvds) - with intellectual property it's easier to win on a 'parody' claim, especially if credit is given to the source to get rid of plagiarism accusations.

Disney is a US company. If they want to sue people for stealing their stolen copy of Kimba, that's up to them. I haven't seen any doujinshi for the kiddie anime films Disney buys up, so they're not the best example. They dropped their suit, anyway, after all the bad press. They've been pretty reasonable since then.
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Postby remsleep » Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:07 am

Arigatomina wrote:If you don't have a specific anime in mind, you could always try to get someone to make an 'original animation' music video. In that case, there's no question of property rights, but you'd probably want to check some art sites (www.deviantart.com as an example) for an amature artist. If you want an amv-maker, I've seen some videos that were made entirely in After Effects that might as well not have used *any* anime footage. Match one of the effect-editors up with an anime-style artist and you should be fine.


Speaking of just such a video... ;-)

This is a bizarre coincidence that TaylrMayd made this post just as I was visiting this forum for the first time in months.

TaylrMayd -- If the Oct/Nov timeframe works for you, I might be interested in doing something that is legally squeaky-clean (not for pay). As others have pointed out, however, a little more up-front information would reduce the shadiness factor of your postings....

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Postby OtakuForLife » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:53 am

How much are you willing to pay :twisted:
He's paying for the time not the the video....
Legal grey area, as long as he dosn't charge people to
see the videos and is using it for promotional purposes
only. It should be fine :)
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Re: oOoOo I love this people

Postby inthesto » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:49 am

Moonlight Soldier wrote:-1 Spelling/grammar mistakes [abound] in your post. As a professional you should know how to spell.

-1 the use of lol

-1 Not naming your music producing company for verification

-1 Not naming yourself for credibility

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So far you're - 4 in the whole.

To be taken seriously please start climbing out. :roll:


-1 for not pointing out the Yahoo e-mail address

-1 for blasting spelling/grammar and then making an error yourself

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Re: oOoOo I love this people

Postby ANTDrakko » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:54 am

inthesto wrote:
Moonlight Soldier wrote:-1 Spelling/grammar mistakes [abound] in your post. As a professional you should know how to spell.

-1 the use of lol

-1 Not naming your music producing company for verification

-1 Not naming yourself for credibility

________________________________

So far you're - 4 in the whole.

To be taken seriously please start climbing out. :roll:



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GOD DAMN THE RULES OF THE INTERNETS


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Postby Ashyukun » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:35 am

OtakuForLife wrote:How much are you willing to pay :twisted:
He's paying for the time not the the video....
Legal grey area, as long as he dosn't charge people to
see the videos and is using it for promotional purposes
only. It should be fine :)


No. For it to even begin to work they way you're suggesting, the editor would need all the sources provided to them- and should also be confirming that the rights to all the sources being used have been secured (or at least have a signed affidavit from the 'employer' asserting that the rights have been secured and absolving them from any legal implications of the work- don't even know if that would be enough though) before beginning work on the project. In most cases editors are dealing with newly show footage filmed by either someone else on the crew or by the person hiring them to do the work so there generally isn't a problem with the video sources, but if dealing with songs in something, the rights have to be secured.

"Using it for promotional purposes only" is not an absolution either. What would it be used for promotional purposes to do? Duh. Gain popularity, sell records- make money. We as AMV editors tend to justify our lack of securing the rights to things (in general) as fairly insignificant because it's just being done for our entertainment and that of others, we get little if any compensation for it- we easily spend infinitely more money in making AMVs than we get back. I have yet to see an AMV contest with a monetary award- the biggest award I've seen was a plasma TV from a contest in Florida a while back, but that was a serious outlier data point. Almost all of them give out trophies or certificates with no value other than bragging rights with the occasional DVDs and CDs that have been donated. When any kind of appreciable payment is given for the use of IP that you don't own, it's just asking for all kinds of legal trouble.
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Postby OtakuForLife » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:15 pm

true, you bring up alot of good points there
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Re: oOoOo I love this people

Postby TaylrMayd » Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:09 pm

Moonlight Soldier wrote:-1 Spelling/grammar mistakes [abound] in your post. As a professional you should know how to spell.

-1 the use of lol

-1 Not naming your music producing company for verification

-1 Not naming yourself for credibility

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So far you're - 4 in the whole.

To be taken seriously please start climbing out. :roll:


I appreciate the feedback. My initial intention was for this to be a casual thing just to give to some of the artists I have been working with. I figured they would get a kick out seeing other's ideas with their music. Grammatical errors aside (I did not proofread), the only reason that I offer compensation is out of respect to editors for the time and effort.

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Re: oOoOo I love this people

Postby dokool » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:01 pm

Wow, your site looks like every other poorly-designed site for a small underground rap label. The color scheme is pretty ugly, you only have one info page out of two artists, and that page doesn't even seem to have a link to any audio samples...

Seriously, if you want a music video, get a 3-chip MiniDV camera and make a no-budget one. They're not that expensive and you'll actually have something useful (albiet admittedly low-quality).
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Re: oOoOo I love this people

Postby TaylrMayd » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:36 pm

dokool wrote:Wow, your site looks like every other poorly-designed site for a small underground rap label. The color scheme is pretty ugly, you only have one info page out of two artists, and that page doesn't even seem to have a link to any audio samples...

Seriously, if you want a music video, get a 3-chip MiniDV camera and make a no-budget one. They're not that expensive and you'll actually have something useful (albiet admittedly low-quality).


Hey you will get no disagreement here. I am not responsible for the web site. I have told that to the "person" in charge. The problem not that he doesn't believe that the site sucks, I am sure he knows. He is just doesn't believe that it makes a difference. What I will do is cut and past your comment and hopefully that will put a fire under him to fix it. Thanks for the response and suggestion though.

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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:15 am

bum wrote:Like everyone's allready said, paying someone to do an amv is something you should just forget about. It's illegal, imoral and just plain selfish on the editors part to accept money. However ya should post some of your tracks, their are people who might take a certian liking to one.


Exactly =) I Quote here.

A fairly better thing you can do is ask to a creator if he/she could do that or that for you, this is at least what I think. You can ask for a favour, or at least propose some concepts, and as bum said, someone could take it :P
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