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What does it take?

Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:28 pm

I'm going to skip my usual long, (melo)dramatic intro and get to the point this time.

I've been getting a little irritated lately with the AMV Announcements forum, but rather than go into detail and complain about something that will ultimately result in this topic being locked, I want to turn my thread into a constructive discussion. I have lots of questions, so bear with me. To elaborate...

When you are perusing the Announcements forum, what makes you want to look at a thread? What hooks you initially? Is it something in the title? What should it say? Does the title not matter at all? Does only the content of the thread matter? Do you only look at threads created by people you know are good editors?

With those questions in mind, I'd like some feedback. Honestly, this is partly to indulge my curiosity, but who knows? Maybe this will help someone to create a thread that will actually be looked at and responded to...

...which brings me to the reason I even started this topic. There are several smaller reasons, but the main one is this: the last two times I posted an announcement, I only got, like, a single reply on one of them. Rather than stew over what I possibly did wrong, just tell me this: what should I do next time? What makes you want to even consider looking at a thread in that forum?

Again, if I can put aside my annoyance, then I only request that those who respond to this thread do as well. I want this to be as constructive as possible.

Thanks. ^_^


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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:47 pm

Three things. First, I check the authors, and go straight to the editors that make videos I like. Second, if the title includes the artist and it is one I like, I'll check. Third, if the title sounds intriguing, I'll check. But I only reply if I plan on getting the video, which is rare because it usually takes too long to download.
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Postby silver_moon » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:36 pm

It depends how much time I have and how bored I am when I check the threads, but I usually just click on the threads that are by an editor that I like, the threads that have quite a few replies, or if the title interests me.

Presentation is a big thing in the announcements forum. For example, when I look at a thread, if someone announces the title in all caps lock or if the title has bad grammar or spelling, that turns me away most of the time. Same with titles that just say "first AMV" or "new AMV". And then in the actual message part of the post, if you don't say much about the video other than what the song and anime are, it usually doesn't interest me enought to download it unless if the song/anime combination interests me. If the creator has nothing interesting to say about the video, then it's likely that there's nothing interesting about the video. And we all just want to see videos that we think we'll enjoy.
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Postby Tash » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:42 pm

I look into ones with lots of comments, and editors I know.
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Postby Pwolf » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:46 pm

also helps to pimp the thread to people in the chatroom >.>


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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:06 pm

Pwolf wrote:also helps to pimp the thread to people in the chatroom >.>


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Postby SuperFusion » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:02 pm

If I know the creator or if the thread has lots of replies. A turn off for me would be a long post telling me what the video is about. That just tells me "Hey, I couldn't get the story in as good as I thought I could, but hey, if I explain it, maybe you'll understand my choices". The hell..? I won't understand anything just because you tell me that's what it's supposed to do. Execution is execution even if it is weak. :/
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:06 pm

if i see koopiskeva posting in that forum... i'lll definitely watch that vid.. :)


but anyways, yeah, author and post counts is where i usually go at..
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Postby Iamshadowkiller » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:28 pm

TheUnlimited wrote:if i see koopiskeva posting in that forum... i'lll definitely watch that vid.. :)


was that really necessary?

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For me, it is usually the subject title...and not just meaning the title of the vid, but also the tone of the creator...

I don't like it when someone posts something along the lines of 'OMG CHECK OUT MY LATEST VID IT ROXXORS U MUST WATCH LOL' or "MY THREE LATEST VIDS THAT I JUST MADE IN THE LAST 15 MINS LOL!X21'

of course those are just examples...since I don't think you can even have a subject that big :roll:

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Postby Resk » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:36 pm

Normally when I post topics in there, I try to include something in the title that might grab the reader, like a quote or title to describe the video, rather than come right out and say what the video is. After all, seeing 'New Romantic FF AMV' (for example for my new video) most likely wouldn't get many responses in the thread, because it's such an overused title.

Although, my type of titles don't get a lot of hits very often anyway lol. Oddly enough, my last video (A Casual Romance) got the most responses ever in one of my threads lol total of something like 10 or so :P

But back on topic: When I look at videos in there, I look for interesting titles. Because after all, it's usually the title that will draw you in to read the first post of the thread.
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Postby Fungie½ » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:54 pm

silver_moon wrote:Presentation is a big thing in the announcements forum. For example, when I look at a thread, if someone announces the title in all caps lock or if the title has bad grammar or spelling, that turns me away most of the time. Same with titles that just say "first AMV" or "new AMV". And then in the actual message part of the post, if you don't say much about the video other than what the song and anime are, it usually doesn't interest me enought to download it unless if the song/anime combination interests me. If the creator has nothing interesting to say about the video, then it's likely that there's nothing interesting about the video. And we all just want to see videos that we think we'll enjoy.


I think silver_moon hit it right on the spot here. Presentation is a huge part of it. Some people don't even bother placing a link! Others can sit and write personal comments or some key things which may draw the viewer in, and sometimes I find that it helps.

In answer to your question, I look for anime that I'm familiar with, creators that I know, and sometimes unknown song/anime combinations. There's nothing like going into a video blind and being blown away. I also look in the video description for at least some notes about the video. I'm not expecting an essay, I just want to know a little bit about what I'm getting myself into/if this is the kind of video I want to go for.

You have to face it, as well: this site thrives off of popularity. Everyone lunges for people who've set a name for themselves by making good videos or by making a video which you personally liked. When you see the creator's name, it'll click in your mind. "Oh, I've seen such-and-such video of his, and loved it! Maybe this'll be good, too," and you just pray for consistency. Try spreading your name around the Opinion Exchange. Lots of people tend to hang out there.

Then again, this is coming from one of the least popular people here, so.
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:25 pm

silver_moon wrote:Presentation is a big thing in the announcements forum.


i forgot about that yeah.. if they announce their video in a thread and has like this little screenshot photoshopped so it's got the title and stuff looking neat.. that gets me anticipated to watch the video.
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Postby -M_X_R- » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:54 pm

First of a big thanx to dj_ultima_the_great! I've been asking myself this for the longest time but never came out and just said it, anyhow..

I fell as though I usually go for the ones that have either no replies, and the ones that have a lot, just so I can get a balance of the new AMV's that come out, and I only do this when I actually get around to d/ling vids, b/c a lot of the times I can't or don't.. :( Presentation also plays a pretty big part, like banners and comments left by the creator, and most important if not least the title of the video(which is usally the thread name as well..) So yeah.. those are my ways of going about checking new vids and what not, I don't really care too much if its a great creator or a newb, I never truly judge until I've seen the vid..
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Postby FoxJones » Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:45 am

for me...

1) Title. This is the main thing for me. It's what you see first when you start browsing through announcements. If it has a title that stirs up some interest in me I'll at least click the thread to see what it's about (more of this later). Worst thing you can do is "MY NEW AMV! CHECK IT OUT!"... I mean "duh".. of course it's mostly going to be your latest creation. This is one of the signs that tells you about the level of the creator. If the title is like that the AMV itself will also most likely suck. Second worst thing is to add words like Evangeliyoon or Naruto in the title.. but please keep doing it so I can avoid those damn things also in the future :wink: On the other hand if the title includes one of my favourite series I WILL check out the thread. Also one certain way to catch my attention is to add the word "maid" in it.. ^.^

2) Creator. Yes, there are some creators that catch my attention whenever they release a new AMV. Not as important as the title, but if the title is at least semi-interesting and it's at least a somewhat known editor, I'll check out the thread to see what has he/she made this time. Sadly many times I ran into some Evangeliyoon (and others) boredom that way but.. *shrug* can't win all the time.

3) Replies. It's more common that people reply these announcement-threads to compliment the AMV, instead of giving their honest short opinion about it. So if the posts reach the second page I might check out what has stirred up so much conversation. This is countered by the 1) though.


..and now. Congratulations, you have managed to catch my attention and I have clicked your announcement-thread. What do I expect to see?
Not much.. Short info and advertisement speech of what you have done, link and especially the anime/music-combo that you have used. If there's no mention of anime/music used and I have to click the link you gave to see it and end up running into an Evangeliyoon-AMV I WILL dislike you. I'm too lazy to come and kill your entire family, but.. dislike.



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Postby downwithpants » Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:01 am

i look for threads with a lot of replies. cause sometimes there are pretty entertaining flamewars in there.

i don't really use amv announcements to find new amvs.
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